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-Savage-
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 09 Dec 2020    Post subject: Sidecar Refub Reply with quote

Hi folks,

It's been quite a few years since I last posted here. I sort of got sidetracked into facebook and am ashamed to say I've only really been visiting here to view the off topic stuff lol.

Anyway, I thought I would make my posting return with a little showing off of my lockdown project. (Visiting parents in France left me with a 2 week isolation on my return).

Lets see if I remember how to post pictures.....


This is the bike as it stood. The sidecar was on a Jawa TS350 which I then sold on.
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The tub was quite tatty, the red paint was very sun faded in places.

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Sanded and masked the tub, and then started priming, and then the colour coat.
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The colour I used wasn't an exact match to the bike, but it's close enough to keep me happy.
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I eventually took the mudguard apart entirely to paint it better, and so that i could adapt it for my new lights.
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Masking for the "racing stripe".
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A bit of overspray. Masking is bloody hard lol.
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The vinyl pinstriping and sticker added.
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And the same on the front.
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Hardly a perfect finish, but I'm more than happy with how its turned out.
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The lights are from a landrover defender.
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And I replaced the reflector with an LED sidelight.
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Marking out the template against the waxed canvas for the cover. Dog helping....
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Cover fits ok.
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Added a flap to tidy the front, plus help keep the rain out.
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Elasticated rear to keep it in place.
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Finished job.
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PostPosted: 22:42 - 09 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh! How thrilling! I'd love to have a go on that! Not a lot of lean on your setup, by the look. Are you in the UK? If so, you'd better hope for some slippy stuff; best vehicles ever in slippy stuff.

Somewhere, I have an old Russian, and I know there's a sidecar chassis too over at another place, leant up on the end of the shed. It's been there 20 years, so I bet the thread on the ball fixing's rusted away. Ubggre. I'll have to restart work on my workshop.

Well done!
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PostPosted: 01:49 - 10 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sidecars are not really my thing, however, I have to say you’ve done a fine job on that Thumbs Up .

Yeh, big thumbs up Thumbs Up

Hmm? I can’t think why, but I seem to be thinking about Wallace & Gromit right now Wink
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 14 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

pepperami wrote:

Hmm? I can’t think why, but I seem to be thinking about Wallace & Gromit right now Wink


I'm glad I'm not the only one!

Looks pretty ace actually, although I can't imagine riding with a sidecar to be that pleasant? Presumably it tries to turn right under braking and left under acceleration?
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PostPosted: 18:33 - 14 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThunderGuts wrote:
I can't imagine riding with a sidecar to be that pleasant? Presumably it tries to turn right under braking and left under acceleration?

The major problem is being stuck in traffic, as for many other vehicles.

Sharp left-hand corners require care and consideration, especially without a passenger in the sidecar.

They do tend to veer either way, but that's counteracted by steering.

In the ice and snow or similar slippery or muddy surfaces they are truly excellent, due to off-centre steering and the above veering about. You adjust everything continually using the brakes and throttle, waggling the handlebars about like a tiller to point roughly where you want to go. Miraculously, you go there!

You can go along up the high street with the sidecar in the air, or do 180 degree turns with verve.

Tyre wear can be absolutely horrendous, especially of the back wheel on the motorbike. Buy any cheap tyre with a reasonably appropriate profile. I used to use Avon SM MKII front and rear (didn't find any advantage with "sidecar triple duty", and I think the sidecar had a 10" x 4.1 something tyre of some sort. It would be good to get a wheel & rim capable of accepting a narrow car tyre for the back wheel.
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 14 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

It very different to riding a bike/trike/car. You have to lean a lot more than you would think. Literally hanging over the sidecar for quick left hand bends to try and keep the sidecar wheel down. IT'S SO MUCH FUN! lol.

The fastest I've managed with the outfit is 80mph, but it really is more at home at slower speeds, and much more enjoyable on twisties than straight road.

Straight roads require continual steering input, which gets very boring and tiring.

You can really have fun on the country roads, and I have no problems keeping up with solo bikes.

On open roads its a different story however..... lol

The single 500cc enfield is great for the outfit. It launches well from standstill, and is quirky enough to not look out of place with the sidecar attached. Nice and comfy riding position too.

Its a small enough outfit to still be able to filter a bit (especially when you forget your on an outfit and start to filter up the outside of a queue of traffic at a light.....you can still squeeze back in at the front lol)

The rig isn't heavy enough to really try to steer you under braking/acceleration unless its fully loaded, but you can use this to your advantage with a braked sidecar wheel, dabbing it on to help left handers, and dabbing the bike brake on right handers.

I have a brake on the wheel, but no lever set up yet. That will be the next project show and tell.
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 14 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Savage- wrote:
Straight roads require continual steering input, which gets very boring and tiring.

Is your lean angle OK? It might be worth an adjustment to see if it helps (also is the toe-in OK?). I have not generally noticed the above, it's just a case of getting used to it and going along making unconcious, reflexive adjustments.

Sorry if I'm "teaching you to suck eggs": https://sidecarland.co.uk/fitting-a-sidecar/
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PostPosted: 19:52 - 14 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
-Savage- wrote:
Straight roads require continual steering input, which gets very boring and tiring.

Is your lean angle OK?


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PostPosted: 20:37 - 14 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:

Is your lean angle OK? It might be worth an adjustment to see if it helps (also is the toe-in OK?).


I keep breaking spokes on the front wheel, so I have a feeling that something isn't set up 100% correctly. I'll be having a look and see if I can get to the root of it.
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PostPosted: 20:42 - 14 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:

That looks horribly wrong to me. Possibly a combination of a right-handed side-car and going anticlockwise around the roundabout. Ugh! My 'ead feels like a cabbage!
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PostPosted: 20:51 - 14 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Savage- wrote:
I keep breaking spokes on the front wheel, so I have a feeling that something isn't set up 100% correctly. I'll be having a look and see if I can get to the root of it.

Hm, that's an odd position to get failures. I would guess that there's a problem with the wheel (build?) itself. Checking alignment is a good idea though. I just used to guess, within limits that seemed reasonable, and go with whatever felt right. You should not have to haul on the handlebars when going along, and it shouldn't be all "soggy" and require effort in right-handers and not in left-handers. I am not an expert, you can guess, but I have ridden one of these contraptions around (and around...).
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