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PostPosted: 21:42 - 13 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
arry wrote:
I'd say it's doing ~800ml per 1000 miles.

Wowsers. Notwithstanding what BMW tech says, surely that can't be right in a newish bike? I wonder what it's emissions are like, and whether it would pass EURO4 or whatever standard it's supposed to meet?
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 13 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
I've had 2 GS adventures and they are fantastic bikes.

Mine have also served as an MC's mule for foreign runs for meetings etc and I'm pretty sure no one assumed it was an old boring fart riding it then.

As for long way round etc, they were brilliant TV and encourage biking, they should be applauded.

Get over the stereotyping and most things in life are pretty good.
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 13 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Freddyfruitbat wrote:
arry wrote:
I'd say it's doing ~800ml per 1000 miles.

Wowsers. Notwithstanding what BMW tech says, surely that can't be right in a newish bike? I wonder what it's emissions are like, and whether it would pass EURO4 or whatever standard it's supposed to meet?


It's German, they don't worry about things like that. They have methods.
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PostPosted: 23:29 - 13 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
arry wrote:

According to the interwebs they get better with age. Mine is on something like 6k miles now - get to 10k and things might be better.... but in the meantime it's a ballache topping up the oil every other decent ride. I'd say it's doing ~800ml per 1000 miles. Problem is the sight glass is only ~500ml top to bottom.


BMW have a bit of a history with this issue in their car engines, to the extent where they had a class action law suit against them in the last 10 years, with one of the complaints being excessive oil consumption on the N63 V8 and prior to that, the M62 engine was known as an oil burner.

Did they specify fully synthetic oil from day one?

I ask because this crops up quite often as being a problem with high performance engines, where the oil is actually too good and doesn't allow the moving parts to bed in - I got a free engine rebuild out of TVR for this very reason, well out of warranty, on a car that I think I was the fourth owner of.

To answer the OP's question, my big problem with BMW is their carefully honed marketing, which would have you believe they are the best thing since sliced bread (and charging you accordingly) while producing machines that have fundamental design and manufacturing flaws, that they won't admit to.

The bikes have gone rapidly downhill since the car division started overseeing the operation, somewhere around 2000.

But even before then, the much vaunted K bikes had problems with transmission failure and even before that, I can remember the mods they made to the twins in the early 80's, to stop the decidedly dodgy handling they had.

A good friend of mine is a well respected BMW specialist bike mechanic and he tells me not to buy any twin beyond an 1150 and no multi that isn't laying on it's side.
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 14 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Not cars but bore glazing in boat diesels is a real problem because they are not used on high loads very often which leads to high oil consumption.

The popular answer is to use crappy mineral oil and change often. As you say, synthetic is too good at times.
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PostPosted: 18:58 - 14 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Freddyfruitbat wrote:
arry wrote:
I'd say it's doing ~800ml per 1000 miles.

Wowsers. Notwithstanding what BMW tech says, surely that can't be right in a newish bike? I wonder what it's emissions are like, and whether it would pass EURO4 or whatever standard it's supposed to meet?


My K bike likes oil. And to add insult to injury, there's a phaph of a procedure to check and top up. If following the book. Bit if you don't fill a the book you risk using even more oils..

The S bike goes from service to service without any top up.

My GS bikes never really had much oil consumption issues and they went everywhere.
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PostPosted: 23:26 - 14 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
MCN wrote:
My K bike likes oil. And to add insult to injury, there's a phaph of a procedure to check and top up. If following the book. Bit if you don't fill a the book you risk using even more oils..

The S bike goes from service to service without any top up.

My GS bikes never really had much oil consumption issues and they went everywhere.


My 2006 K1200S never used oil between services, although that was well before North Yorkshire police had scamera vans, so the piston rings and bores were properly bedded in Wink

I then had a 2009 GS, followed by a 2012 RT, both of which burnt a lot of oil; about one litre per 3000 miles and 2000 miles respectively Shocked

I’ve had a 1200 GS LC and RS LC since then and now a 1250 GS LC and none of them have used oil between services.

I also drive a BMW car and love the brand, so I guess I’m a prick Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:57 - 14 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
spnorm wrote:

My 2006 K1200S never used oil between services, although that was well before North Yorkshire police had scamera vans, so the piston rings and bores were properly bedded in Wink

I then had a 2009 GS, followed by a 2012 RT, both of which burnt a lot of oil; about one litre per 3000 miles and 2000 miles respectively Shocked

I’ve had a 1200 GS LC and RS LC since then and now a 1250 GS LC and none of them have used oil between services.

I also drive a BMW car and love the brand, so I guess I’m a prick Laughing


Maybe just a bit gullible.

I have a theory about how BMW marketing perpetuates itself - if you've just paid substantially over the odds for an average product, are you going to justify the expenditure by telling all your mates how brilliant it is?

Of course you are, et voila, the great motoring myth continues apace.

I could write a Teffersesque post about the fundamental failings of BMW, but there's any number of forums, with any number of posts trying to resolve issues that if it was a Ford/Vauxhall/Honda/Yamaha would be considered totally unacceptable, so I'll leave it up to them.
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PostPosted: 00:58 - 15 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Shaft wrote:
spnorm wrote:

My 2006 K1200S never used oil between services, although that was well before North Yorkshire police had scamera vans, so the piston rings and bores were properly bedded in Wink

I then had a 2009 GS, followed by a 2012 RT, both of which burnt a lot of oil; about one litre per 3000 miles and 2000 miles respectively Shocked

I’ve had a 1200 GS LC and RS LC since then and now a 1250 GS LC and none of them have used oil between services.

I also drive a BMW car and love the brand, so I guess I’m a prick Laughing


Maybe just a bit gullible.

I have a theory about how BMW marketing perpetuates itself - if you've just paid substantially over the odds for an average product, are you going to justify the expenditure by telling all your mates how brilliant it is?

Of course you are, et voila, the great motoring myth continues apace.

I could write a Teffersesque post about the fundamental failings of BMW, but there's any number of forums, with any number of posts trying to resolve issues that if it was a Ford/Vauxhall/Honda/Yamaha would be considered totally unacceptable, so I'll leave it up to them.


I must be odd then because my BMW's have been waaaaaay above average products.
Totally supreme high quality bikes .

Put it this way, I paid 10k for one, ran it round Europe and GB for 5 years , looked after it and got 7k back trading it in.
If that was anything else I'd have taken a bath.
It went out of a showroom last month looking the same as it did when I picked it up years ago.
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PostPosted: 11:36 - 15 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ha ha, it must be like Beetlejuice, if you say BMWs are crap 3 times, one of the 'I've been to the moon and back with not so much as a stone chip and made money on the deal' brigade appears immediately Laughing

Perhaps what happens next is a disaffected owner pops up and tries to shove his self destructed final drive up the other guy's ass Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:10 - 15 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
BMW make nothing I want. I also see them as prone to going expensively wrong so even if they did make something I liked, I still wouldn't buy it.
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 15 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Weisse Schlange wrote:


Get over the stereotyping and most things in life are pretty good.


..and where's the fun in that?
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 15 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I also like the K-series flat-4 fuel injected tourers they made in the 80s.


Yeah, I've fancied a K75 as a tourer. Great value (although some are starting to get hipsterised in cafes) and built before the brand image got a bit 'wanky'.
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 15 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
I wonder if they hadn't done the 'Long Way Round' they would have been a much less of a bike manufacturer now. Maybe along the lines of MV or KTM rather than one of the big 6 bike manufacturers.
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 15 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
A100man wrote:
Bhud wrote:
I also like the K-series flat-4 fuel injected tourers they made in the 80s.


Yeah, I've fancied a K75 as a tourer. Great value (although some are starting to get hipsterised in cafes) and built before the brand image got a bit 'wanky'.


Was a 3-cylinder, according to https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/bmw/bmw_k75s%2086.htm

It really is a shame how so many of them are getting hipsterised. It's hard to find an original one now. They were incredibly stylish! Remember the 1987 movie Fourth Protocol? Perfect choice of machine in that movie (K75S)... The machine was chosen to express competence - the character riding it, played by Pierce Brosnan, was a fighter pilot ace, great motorcycle rider and all-round tough guy, who doubled as a psychopathic but relentless yuppy KGB agent. In those days BMW bikes were unmistakeable for any other bike, and that really was the image they had. How things have changed, eh. People who don't remember the 80s and don't understand the 80s claim they like 80s aesthetics anyway, and that's a problem because they don't know what that aesthetic is, and these bikes get badly disfigured as a consequence.
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PostPosted: 15:23 - 15 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Bhud wrote:


Was a 3-cylinder, according to https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/bmw/bmw_k75s%2086.htm

It really is a shame how so many of them are getting hipsterised. It's hard to find an original one now. They were incredibly stylish! Remember the 1987 movie Fourth Protocol? Perfect choice of machine in that movie (K75S)... The machine was chosen to express competence - the character riding it, played by Pierce Brosnan, was a fighter pilot ace, great motorcycle rider and all-round tough guy, who doubled as a psychopathic but relentless yuppy KGB agent. In those days BMW bikes were unmistakeable for any other bike, and that really was the image they had. How things have changed, eh. People who don't remember the 80s and don't understand the 80s claim they like 80s aesthetics anyway, and that's a problem because they don't know what that aesthetic is, and these bikes get badly disfigured as a consequence.


indeed so .. 75% of a K100 Wink
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PostPosted: 15:28 - 15 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Bhud wrote:

It really is a shame how so many of them are getting hipsterised. It's hard to find an original one now.


A case in point and candidate for Ebay's most miserable...

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/X~cAAOSwGDtde-DO/s-l500.jpg
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 15 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
A100man wrote:
Bhud wrote:

It really is a shame how so many of them are getting hipsterised. It's hard to find an original one now.


A case in point and candidate for Ebay's most miserable...

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/X~cAAOSwGDtde-DO/s-l500.jpg


OMFG Shocked

That is execrable.
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PostPosted: 17:32 - 15 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
It's utterly dire. Belongs to no-place and no-time - neither parody nor pastiche. At most, a symptom of something which, whatever it is, seems to invite no further enquiry.

I'm putting this one up in that "worst bike" thread.
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