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wr6133
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PostPosted: 21:58 - 14 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
An artic couldnt just steam around that roundabout, it would have to have slowed right down on approach. Not to say the driver may not have looked and been at fault but if the car hit any point from the 5th wheel (where the trailer hitches) back then I'd bet money the artic was on the roundabout before the car was approaching to enter. Also trailer chassis are pretty solid a car hitting a trailer at 30mph will wreck the car with surprisingly little damage to the trailer.

Though as its all in muppets head what we are discussing is academic.
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PostPosted: 23:32 - 14 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
If you want to know what markings and signs should be there and why they are there, google Chapter 5 TSM and read page 63,64 and a bit of 65.

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PostPosted: 23:35 - 14 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I think I'm right in saying it's give way to the right and give way to vehicles already on the roundabout. For example, a large lorry might have trouble getting around a mini-roundabout and be a bit slow.


As right of way can only be given not taken, you can’t take the right of way off the truck if he’s already half way through the turn. Is not like there’s poor visibility coming up to that junction either. Must have had his eyes closed.
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PostPosted: 00:01 - 15 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
xX-Alex-Xx wrote:
Must have had his eyes closed.

Without knowing what direction the car was coming from, it's impossible to draw any conclusions.
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PostPosted: 00:14 - 15 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Easy-X wrote:
xX-Alex-Xx wrote:
Which side of the lorry did the car hit? If he twatted the left side, it's the car's fault. If he twatted the right side, it's technically the lorry's fault, but really it would be both their fault (the lorry for pulling out in front of the car, and the car for not anticipating/seeing the lorry pulling out in front of him).

Right of way on a roundabout is to the right - end of discussion really.


I think I'm right in saying it's give way to the right and give way to vehicles already on the roundabout. For example, a large lorry might have trouble getting around a mini-roundabout and be a bit slow.


Nooope, you give priority to vehicles approachig from the right:

185
When reaching the roundabout you should

give priority to traffic approaching from your right, unless directed otherwise by signs,

Vehicle doesn't have to be on the roundabout.

IMO regardless of the legalities lorry driver should have had more sense and waited for the car to pass, if it was visibly approaching. It must have been marginal for the accident to have occurred in the first place, not waiting those 10 seconds has cost a lot more time, 15 grand damage to the combination, delayed deliveries, written off car, insurance excess and declarations for both drivers, potential for serious injury - all for the matter of waiting a few seconds.
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PostPosted: 00:42 - 15 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
This across your lane:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/55bb5fc340f0b6154e000007/across-carriageway-give-way-traffic-from-right-miniroundabout.jpg

Means "Give way to traffic from the right at a mini-roundabout"

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/road-markings



This ^^^

Which of course, if you were the transport guru you claim to be, you would know.

Perhaps you can sell some of the 32 bikes or some of the acreage to pay for the damage. Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:13 - 15 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ste wrote:
xX-Alex-Xx wrote:
Must have had his eyes closed.

Without knowing what direction the car was coming from, it's impossible to draw any conclusions.



Hence my earlier question of what side of the truck did the car hit.
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 15 Dec 2020    Post subject: Re: The Highway Code & How You Interpret It? Reply with quote
Freddyfruitbat wrote:
JackButler wrote:
Leaving a regular drop at an industrial estate, he back tracked his route in, approached the mini island with an intention to turn right & whilst turning right a young lad in his hot hatch has smashed into the side of his truck.

It's not clear from the above whether the car was coming from the left (ie, car at fault for not giving way) or the right (ie, truck at fault for not giving way)
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Or coming up behind the lorry and trying a sneaky inside overtake around the wagon on the inside / right hand side of the roundabout? I’d do a paint drawing to better explain but that’s beyond me...
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PostPosted: 11:30 - 15 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
JackButler wrote:
I thought it would be too difficult for you lot.


Try posting a full story instead of either drip feeding us or just giving half a tale and hoping that people agree based on your biased information? Equally if you’re so desperate for an opinion that’s valid try hiring legal advice - or is that too difficult for you?
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PostPosted: 11:31 - 15 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
1198 wrote:
or is that too difficult for you?


This cunt is some child with a bit of time on his hands and probably rides some gay race rep wheeze bucket, or his mum, can't tell the difference.
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PostPosted: 12:05 - 15 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Paddy. wrote:
or his mum.


She was so disappointed she threw him off before the vinegar stroke, he must have then landed on his head, hence what we see now.
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 15 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pete. wrote:
Nooope, you give priority to vehicles approachig from the right:

185
When reaching the roundabout you should

give priority to traffic approaching from your right, unless directed otherwise by signs,

Vehicle doesn't have to be on the roundabout.

IMO regardless of the legalities lorry driver should have had more sense and waited for the car to pass, if it was visibly approaching. It must have been marginal for the accident to have occurred in the first place, not waiting those 10 seconds has cost a lot more time, 15 grand damage to the combination, delayed deliveries, written off car, insurance excess and declarations for both drivers, potential for serious injury - all for the matter of waiting a few seconds.


By that logic if you approach a roundabout you check the right "great, nothing coming" and plough straight into someone already on the roundabout!?
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 15 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
As much as a simple roundabout query should be obvious.


I'd also ask the legitimacy of the occupant of the car. Looking at that junction you'd be able to see what a lorry was doing long before you got to it, being able to perceive dangers and act on them (hopefully before they occur) is part of knowing how to drive and the art of give and take.


That said, silly roundabouts like that only encourage poor judgement and i've had many close calls from cats who zoom straight through.
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PostPosted: 13:45 - 15 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Blurredman wrote:

That said, silly roundabouts like that only encourage poor judgement and i've had many close calls from cats who zoom straight through.


Yeah those pesky nob-cats.
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 15 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Easy-X wrote:

By that logic if you approach a roundabout you check the right "great, nothing coming" and plough straight into someone already on the roundabout!?


Err, no. The rule isn't "the only thing you have to look out for is vehicles approaching from the right".
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PostPosted: 16:43 - 15 Dec 2020    Post subject: Re: The Highway Code & How You Interpret It? Reply with quote
JackButler wrote:
Having looked at the scene on Google . . . If that sign is still there . . . I'm not so sure that our chap did anything wrong at all.

Do you mean the mini roundabout sign or is there some other sign or road markings we are all missing?
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 15 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pete. wrote:
Easy-X wrote:

By that logic if you approach a roundabout you check the right "great, nothing coming" and plough straight into someone already on the roundabout!?


Err, no. The rule isn't "the only thing you have to look out for is vehicles approaching from the right".


Only if you take the literal interpretation of vehicles already on a roundabout are bound to be going right around it but we both know most ppl are too thick to work that out Wink
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PostPosted: 19:32 - 15 Dec 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Easy-X wrote:

Only if you take the literal interpretation of vehicles already on a roundabout are bound to be going right around it but we both know most ppl are too thick to work that out Wink


"Give priority to vehicles approaching from the right" doesn't need much interpretation.

Turn your head and look - is there a vehicle approaching?

No - continue onto the roundabout
Yes - If I pull out will he be forced to change speed or course?

No - continue onto the roundabout
Yes - let him pass, then continue onto the roundabout

Not very hard to figure out is it?
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 03 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
Did we ever actually find out what imaginary sign JackButler was seeing that no one else could see

Maybe he sees dead people too
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rpsmith79 wrote:
Maybe he sees dead people too

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PostPosted: 16:41 - 03 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rule 185, Highway Code wrote:

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When reaching the roundabout you should:

- give priority to traffic approaching from your right, unless directed otherwise by signs, road markings or traffic lights,

- check whether road markings allow you to enter the roundabout without giving way. If so, proceed, but still look to the right before joining,

- watch out for other road users already on the roundabout; be aware they may not be signalling correctly or at all,

- watch forward before moving off to make sure traffic in front has moved off.


From the Google Maps road view, there is no signage heading Eastward on Wimsey Way approaching the roundabout except for the "Mini-roundabout (roundabout circulation - give way to vehicles from the immediate right)" sign pursuant to the Highway Code section "Traffic signs - signs giving orders".

As such whoever was approaching from that direction must give way to vehicles already on the roundabout or approaching the roundabout from the Southward direction on the B600.
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