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In 2022 all will be much better then 2015
It will take until 2030
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2070 and the new future will be here
4%
 4%  [ 1 ]
2121 Lord Digby is right all will be great
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When the UK rejoins the EU
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Never.
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Im-a-Ridah
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PostPosted: 00:00 - 22 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since when was travelling all over Europe "free"? I suggest its actually rather expensive.

If we leave the EU, people with a large disposable income and a need to go on holiday a lot [especially by flying]... will lose their freedom of movement

(but will still be able to go after filling out a form)
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PostPosted: 02:33 - 22 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is it assumed that the whole 350 million would go to the NHS?

I never for a minute assumed that all the money saved from EU membership would go to the NHS - just some of it (maybe).
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PostPosted: 02:45 - 22 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even if the whole £3.50 was going to the NHS wages would only be part of it.
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PostPosted: 03:11 - 22 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

panrider_uk wrote:
Why is it assumed that the whole 350 million would go to the NHS?

I never for a minute assumed that all the money saved from EU membership would go to the NHS - just some of it (maybe).


Humor me where the 350m per week have gone?

That is 18,200m per year that Johnson promised the UK will have if leave the EU.

Note the 1% NHS salary increase will cost the government miserly 340m PER YEAR!

If Johnson gives one fifth of the promised 18,200m to the NHS that means 3.64 billion. Which is more then enough.

10% salary increase will cost 3.4 bln
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PostPosted: 07:33 - 22 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Val wrote:
Also this:

https://i.imgur.com/LgrkTFt.jpg

So spare me it was not about the money please. Laughing


Anyone that thinks the NHS should have been the sole benefactor of the the monies not paid to the EU is just a thick cunt.
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PostPosted: 11:16 - 22 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Anyone that thinks the NHS should have been the sole benefactor of the the monies not paid to the EU is just a thick cunt. paid shill.


FTFY.
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 22 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

As it turns out, the 350 million wasn't real and having it written on the side of a bus and shown on television repeatedly during the referendum campaign was never intended to influence voters. Anybody with the temerity to suggest that it was anything more than coincidence that the bus kept on turning up as BoJo and co. made speeches is an idiot... Shocked

Also, anybody who made the association between the fictitious 350 million and additional funding for the NHS was an idiot also, because it was mere coincidence that funding for the NHS and nothing else was mentioned on the side of the bus. Only an idiot would think that was the message... Shocked
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 22 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

The lies came in thick and fast from both sides but IIRC the Brexit side played more of an upbeat "think of the things we could achieve with the freedom" tune whereas Remain kept banging on about the sky falling in. Not a tough choice for the hard of thinking Smile
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 22 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
The lies came in thick and fast from both sides but IIRC the Brexit side played more of an upbeat "think of the things we could achieve with the freedom" tune whereas Remain kept banging on about the sky falling in. Not a tough choice for the hard of thinking Smile


But Vals blaming corona virus on Brexit isn't he?
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 22 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still say the use of treasury funds and government resources to put a leaflet through the door of every voting adult in the UK explaining why we should remain in the EU only days before the campaign funding rules kicked in renders all complaints about what the pro Brexit campaign may or may not have said and done null and void.
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PostPosted: 18:30 - 22 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I still say the use of treasury funds and government resources to put a leaflet through the door of every voting adult in the UK explaining why we should remain in the EU only days before the campaign funding rules kicked in renders all complaints about what the pro Brexit campaign may or may not have said and done null and void.


Good point.

It's time for everyone to let it go now but it won't go away. Just like the Jockanese debacle. Lets keep having votes until we get the result we want still seems to rear it's head at times.
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 22 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

The debate is done with, but the fact that the current PM and his stooges lied so blatantly to the electorate and half of that electorate doesn't care still worries me. It makes me think that people are happy to believe anything if said in a convincing-enough way.

The impact of Dr Goebbels on modern politics cannot be stated enough...
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 22 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:
The debate is done with, but the fact that the current PM and his stooges lied so blatantly to the electorate and half of that electorate doesn't care still worries me. It makes me think that people are happy to believe anything if said in a convincing-enough way.

The impact of Dr Goebbels on modern politics cannot be stated enough...

Even with the benefit of hindsight you don’t think Project Fear was the bigger lie?
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 22 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:
I still say the use of treasury funds and government resources to put a leaflet through the door of every voting adult in the UK explaining why we should remain in the EU only days before the campaign funding rules kicked in renders all complaints about what the pro Brexit campaign may or may not have said and done null and void.


Good point.

It's time for everyone to let it go now but it won't go away. Just like the Jockanese debacle. Lets keep having votes until we get the result we want still seems to rear it's head at times.


The Jockanesian thing will go away when the SNP are disbanded.

But we have to turn the heads of many brainwashed electorate who are still sold on Tartan, Haggis and Kilts (which was. allegedly, a marketing campaign to sell cloth to the tourists.)
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PostPosted: 00:03 - 23 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:


But we have to turn the heads of many brainwashed electorate who are still sold on Tartan, Haggis and Kilts (which was. allegedly, a marketing campaign to sell cloth to the tourists.)


The fact that this sign was necessary (It's in Kilmahog) speaks volumes.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/77/8e/51/778e51e759ec5c36cd98889bc1ff5be1.jpg
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PostPosted: 00:09 - 23 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

How can you tell that's Hamish, not, I dunno, Jimmy?
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PostPosted: 00:19 - 23 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How can you tell that's Hamish, not, I dunno, Jimmy?

Did you just assume their gender?
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PostPosted: 00:22 - 23 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
chickenstrip wrote:
How can you tell that's Hamish, not, I dunno, Jimmy?

Did you just assume their gender?


Feck off! Laughing
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PostPosted: 01:17 - 23 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyway, if I was going to ride that weird looking horse, I'd been hanging on to the handlebars for dear life.
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PostPosted: 08:26 - 24 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Even with the benefit of hindsight you don’t think Project Fear was the bigger lie?


With the benefit of hindsight I think 'project fear' was an educated guess and we still don't know how it will play out in the medium/long term. I really hope that all said was wrong but I do know that my supermarket bill has gone up by 20% already.

Whereas, Boris's bus was a blatant lie perpetrated by a bloke whom we now trust with our economy, health and security.

Its water under the bridge now though and we have no choice but bend over and take what comes...
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 24 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:
Its water under the bridge now though and we have no choice but bend over and take what comes...


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PostPosted: 12:57 - 24 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if we should open some specialist clinics to help those severely affected by the trauma of Brexit? Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:03 - 24 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

The simple fact is that both campaigns were all about half-truths and careful political statements. The leave campaign was all about what we could gain from becoming independent from the EU while never actually promising anything and completely ignoring the reality of just how dependent were were on the EU and how dependent on it's goodwill we would be when we left.

The remain campaign was all about how much damage leaving the EU would cause to the country, emphasising and exaggerating just how much we needed to be part of it and how much stronger we are with being a member, without mentioning any of the costs and disadvantages of being a member.

The simple truth is that politicians from both sides of the campaign didn't really have much of a clue what was going to happen after Brexit, for the simple reason that much of what would happen post-Brexit was in the hands of the EU and not the UK.

Personally I voted to remain as I genuinely believe that the UK generally benefitted more from being part of the EU than it was disadvantaged. So far things seem to be fairly even, I think we have gained pretty much as much as we have lost. I think how well we do in the future depends on what sort of trading relationship we can develop with the rest of the world. If we behave the same sort of arrogance that we have in the past and try to get everything our own way, then we will find the future very difficult. If we accept that we are a fairly average sized fish in a very large pond full of very big sharks and manage our expectations and demands, we could do very well outside the EU.
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 24 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

martin734 wrote:
The simple fact is that both campaigns were all about half-truths and careful political statements. The leave campaign was all about what we could gain from becoming independent from the EU while never actually promising anything and completely ignoring the reality of just how dependent were were on the EU and how dependent on it's goodwill we would be when we left.

The remain campaign was all about how much damage leaving the EU would cause to the country, emphasising and exaggerating just how much we needed to be part of it and how much stronger we are with being a member, without mentioning any of the costs and disadvantages of being a member.

The simple truth is that politicians from both sides of the campaign didn't really have much of a clue what was going to happen after Brexit, for the simple reason that much of what would happen post-Brexit was in the hands of the EU and not the UK.

Personally I voted to remain as I genuinely believe that the UK generally benefitted more from being part of the EU than it was disadvantaged. So far things seem to be fairly even, I think we have gained pretty much as much as we have lost. I think how well we do in the future depends on what sort of trading relationship we can develop with the rest of the world. If we behave the same sort of arrogance that we have in the past and try to get everything our own way, then we will find the future very difficult. If we accept that we are a fairly average sized fish in a very large pond full of very big sharks and manage our expectations and demands, we could do very well outside the EU.


A balanced and reasonable opinion on BCF? How unusual Wink
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 24 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
How can you tell that's Hamish, not, I dunno, Jimmy?


Sticky up horns on Coos.
Not as sticky up on bulls.

Allegedly.
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