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Posted: 17:00 - 17 Jan 2021 Post subject: 99 Fazer 600 - Footpeg bracket bolt (replace or keep?) |
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Attempted to remove the hex bolt that secures the riders foot-peg to the bracket in order to lubricate the shift lever pivot point and rounded it off, yay.
Originally the impact gun failed to remove it after a few long bursts, so I got a more powerful impact and then rounded the head (bit probably moved). Attempting to chisel a slot to hammer it round by hand also failed, as did attempting to drill it out (although I'm not smart enough for that).
I sprayed silicone grease in externally instead (as opposed to multi purpose by hand out of a tub) and left it at that. Functions as it should.
Would you replace the unit, or just spray silicone to lubricate as and when needed and live with the bodge?
Easy enough part to replace as a unit from eBay, but can't decide if I really want to throw twenty quid at it for that purpose.
Combination of factory blue Loctite (not much left), road grit and installing it with an impact last time is why it wont come out.
https://i.postimg.cc/QxS9rFRM/footpeg-lh.jpg
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Posted: 18:22 - 17 Jan 2021 Post subject: |
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Ok. do those flats on the footpeg bracket engage with anything? If not and the bracket is free to rotate, you could put a big shifting spanner on it where that rivett is and unscrew it. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Posted: 18:56 - 17 Jan 2021 Post subject: |
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Drill it as you tried before. My guess is that you were using a biggish bit, maybe 8mm or so, and the tip (which has no real cutting edges) "grounded" on the bottom of the socket, and would not go further.
Make a small pilot hole, perhaps 2-3mm wide and deep in the centre of the socket, then drill off the head with your bigger bit. Make the pilot hole a little deeper as you go if you need to. Then you can withdraw the footrest. Then you can get a bit of heat on the bolt area, grip the bolt in your vice, and unwind the remains of the bolt. |
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Posted: 19:23 - 17 Jan 2021 Post subject: |
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stinkwheel wrote: | Ok. do those flats on the footpeg bracket engage with anything? If not and the bracket is free to rotate, you could put a big shifting spanner on it where that rivett is and unscrew it. |
Yes, its locked into place. The part of the footpeg I have circled in red is flat (and the rest round) and has to be placed into the flat bit (top middle hole on the bottom picture) and is, I assume, therefore locked in place.
https://i.postimg.cc/hPSLRW3K/bracket2.jpg
Top middle hole in picture below is where red part circled above slots into.
https://i.postimg.cc/KvJnZqdB/bracket.jpg
As I say entire units (bracket, footpegs, linkage) can be had on ebay for £15 upwards, but I think the fact the bolt is blue loctited in is always the crux of attempting to lube the linkage (and brake pedal on other side.. perhaps their meant to be replaced and not reused).
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Riejufixing wrote: | Drill it as you tried before. My guess is that you were using a biggish bit, maybe 8mm or so, and the tip (which has no real cutting edges) "grounded" on the bottom of the socket, and would not go further. |
Sounds about right. I've only got a cheap Aldi set of drill bits that has silver and gold drill bits in. Used a gold one, I think, and felt it dig a little deeper into the head but stopped and felt the bit was probably too blunt to work anymore so gave up. Also I didn't have cutting oil (maybe not needed) or heat source so was probably limited with what I could do.
Riejufixing wrote: | Make a small pilot hole, perhaps 2-3mm wide and deep in the centre of the socket, then drill off the head with your bigger bit. Make the pilot hole a little deeper as you go if you need to. Then you can withdraw the footrest. Then you can get a bit of heat on the bolt area, grip the bolt in your vice, and unwind the remains of the bolt. |
Ah, interesting technique.
You do mean make a pilot hole with one of the below, right? As in that's the method I was trying (hence why I say i'm not smart enough at present for drilling.. lack of experience in this area ).
https://i.postimg.cc/CL1R4FQn/chisel.jpg
So make a small hole with one of those, drill deep with small bit then use large drill bit to literally destroy the large bolt head so it will detach the bracket from the foot-peg and then deal with remains of bolt in foot-peg separate? ____________________ The do it all, T̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶r̶o̶k̶e̶n̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶,̶ ̶T̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶i̶g̶ ̶l̶u̶m̶p̶,̶ ̶C̶h̶o̶n̶g̶ ̶N̶o̶o̶d̶l̶e̶ |
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Posted: 19:39 - 17 Jan 2021 Post subject: |
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Make a little hole in the borrom of the hole in the bolt (which I assume used to take an allen key), using a small one of your Aldi twist bits (which work well enough for me... ), and use a larger twist bit to drill away the head, slowish drill speed. Oil is always good, you don't need anything special for this, a drop or two of engine oil, or even cooking oil, would be OK. The reason not to go too deep with your pilot hole is so that you don't make the bolt's shank into a tube, weakening it for when you clamp it up in your vice or whatever.
Edit: If you look at the end of one of your bigger bits, you will see why a pilot hole is needed. There's no cutting edge on the very middle portion. |
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Posted: 20:13 - 17 Jan 2021 Post subject: |
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Riejufixing wrote: | Yes, were it me, I am not sure I'd bother unless I really needed to. Still, what a PITA when things like that won't undo. |
Aye, is why I put it back on the bike and lubricated it with spray from the outside and asked if it was really worth the effort here.
Learning experience nonetheless, and in truth since it is an old Fazer and I am using it through winter it isn't my first, and no doubt my last, experience of jobs that look simple in planning but turn out not to be.
Should keep me busy during some time away from work (weather permitting). ____________________ The do it all, T̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶r̶o̶k̶e̶n̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶,̶ ̶T̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶i̶g̶ ̶l̶u̶m̶p̶,̶ ̶C̶h̶o̶n̶g̶ ̶N̶o̶o̶d̶l̶e̶ |
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Posted: 14:06 - 18 Jan 2021 Post subject: |
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Don't have much else to say on trying to make do and mend. But I've just had a root through my parts box in shed from when I had a 2003 FZS600. Don't have a left hand peg, unfortunately, but got this stuff which you're more than welcome to have.
https://cdn.bcf.44bytes.net/files/yamaha_fzs600_spares.jpg
That's a right hand peg (with good rubber), left hand peg hanger bracket and bit of the gear shift lever.
Also got a very shabby 2003 'FoxEye' right hand mirror, a used throttle cable and some random used clutch plates and springs.
If it's of any use to you, let me know you can have it, just collect from Dagenham or cover postage. ____________________ Beginner Biker Adventures Blog
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MCN wrote: | Lubricate your facking impact gun and drop it in the bin.
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That's no way to treat a snap-on, but that being said it was the Ryobi that wouldn't budge it and I only got the "big-un" out because the prolonged noise and failure to loosen was going to my tits in.
Also may have been because I was using a non-impact 1/2 to 3/8 adapter and non-impact hex bit. Yes, yes, I know: normal bits aren't really made for impact guns. Might get a set of impact hex key bits (always something )
Plus the head of the bolt has an unusually shallow head / depth.
Arfa___ wrote: | If it's of any use to you, let me know you can have it, just collect from Dagenham or cover postage. |
I'll PM you shortly as you never know what you'll need one day and I'm always happy to hoard and annoy 'er.
Give me a moment, mind, in the middle of one or two things today.
edit: I'd be looking at postage.
wr6133 wrote: | What on earth made you do that up with a rattle gun? |
Im'z a nobber. Still not as bad as my habit of snapping off banjo bolts on ZR7S calipers by over tightening them back when I had one (saying that the bolt snapped in half and the thread was fine so may have been cheap bolts from wemoto).
I remember having trouble tightening it up and couldn't get purchase with it loose (detached from bike), and on the bike the swingarm was in the way / no way you'd loosen or tighten it. May have been that it wasn't located properly (the footpeg in the bracket), and also I couldn't reach 55 nM with a torque wrench without it in a vice so went with the impact (probably one too many times).
Installed the other side the same way and it came out no problem not so long ago (until next time... ).
Cheaper to replace than the entire thing than add to the tool kit in this case so will leave as is for now but probably look at replacing and then repairing / keeping as spares once sorted. Will look into drilling as limited experience at present.
On the plus side every part on the mk1 fazer 600 is about ten pound compared to other bikes so I don't mind being ham fisted with it. ____________________ The do it all, T̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶r̶o̶k̶e̶n̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶,̶ ̶T̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶i̶g̶ ̶l̶u̶m̶p̶,̶ ̶C̶h̶o̶n̶g̶ ̶N̶o̶o̶d̶l̶e̶ |
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Posted: 15:38 - 18 Jan 2021 Post subject: |
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I've saved them, and will look around as I like a good bargain.
I've got a set of Sealey Lock-On Hex bits (as in actual socket bits not the allen key set version) but that proved useless here as the head was too rounded out. Imagine screw extractors are less of a gimmick. ____________________ The do it all, T̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶r̶o̶k̶e̶n̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶,̶ ̶T̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶i̶g̶ ̶l̶u̶m̶p̶,̶ ̶C̶h̶o̶n̶g̶ ̶N̶o̶o̶d̶l̶e̶ |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 3 years, 100 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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