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uberkron
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PostPosted: 05:35 - 31 Aug 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

I repair motor vehicles for a living.

If you're too stupid/lazy to check oil I just assume you can afford new engines.

I check mine each morning, people think it's over the top but I don't lose engines at random either.

The shit for brains that tow in a shitbox car that's been run out of oil that start crying when they learn they are now fucked, it's hard but I can fap to it.
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PostPosted: 11:22 - 31 Aug 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just for the argument...

If you don't notice some spots of oil on the ground before you ride a bike and you don't notice a load of smoke as you're riding along where could the oil go? Into the cooling system? On that would the expansion bottle (if present) show a noticeable colour change?
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 31 Aug 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

You wouldn't necessarily get masses of smoke with oil burning.

It wasn't that noticable with either the FZ or the exup valdes and they are notorious for using up oil.
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 31 Aug 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
You wouldn't necessarily get masses of smoke with oil burning.

It wasn't that noticable with either the FZ or the exup valdes and they are notorious for using up oil.


I remember Honda saying 1 litre per 1000 miles of oil burn was acceptable on CBR1000s at one point. They're not the only manufacturer to say similar either. Some bikes just eat oil.
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 31 Aug 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

xX-Alex-Xx wrote:
I remember Honda saying 1 litre per 1000 miles of oil burn was acceptable on CBR1000s at one point. They're not the only manufacturer to say similar either. Some bikes just eat oil.


Indeed, and these engines don't hold a lot of oil so it doesn't take long at "acceptable oil consumption" rates to burn through it all.

Alternatively, after the service, was there the right amount of oil in it? In order to stay on top of oil top-up, you need to have a starting point that YOU have determined, not assume that someone else put the right amount in it.

Also, do you have a detailed description of the engine damage? I'd be surprised if it has "dropped" all of the valves or that the valves have dropped as well as the piston having seized or rings worn out. Usually there is one catastrophic failure that leads to secondary damage. Dropping a valve could damage the piston but I wouldn't see this wrecking the rings. Seizing the piston could cause multiple valve damage if it seized at/near TDC (not sure if this is a 2- or 4-valve head?).
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 05 Sep 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did once a week with no signs that it was getting low. In addition to the oil level light for the level and pressure never coming on I assumed it was okay.

I have now come accoss other people owning the Duke and RC variant of the 125's and it does appear engines hit this catastrophic failure at 2 years of age. Expected cost of repairs being £2500 parts and labour.

A 2 year old new KTM Duke 125 19 plate written off due to mechanical failure at no fault of my own. In addition it seems KTM fail to keep customers wanting to come back. Of course if they can do something I will report back on it as it's only fair.

With the electronic side happening after a year the total cost of repairs of a £4000 125 come to £2500 engine failure and £900 on electronic issues. If KTM cover this then great but as it stands I can not in good faith recommend anyone buys these bikes.
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 05 Sep 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

The garage confirm no fault of my own. Valves dropped, piston burnt and damaged and rings gone. No oil leaks at all and as for it being at home prior I can definitely confirm no oil leaks at all. It would definitely show up on the driveway and would leave marks for a good month or two
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