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PostPosted: 15:57 - 06 Feb 2021    Post subject: Project Scrappy Hyosung stalled Reply with quote

Well with a lot of help from people who know a lot more than I do about bikes, ‘Project Scrappy Hyosung’ is making good progress.
However we seem to have reached a difficult patch that could stall the project for a long time.

It’s a carbed version of a Hyosung GT125r and the rubber inlet manifolds are fo*ked!
I’ve done all the research on the net? I think I have??, but I just can’t find anything without it costing more than the entire project is worth.

What I’m asking the mighty and wise BCF is : does anyone know of any sites/retailers that might be able to help me please?
Or does anyone have a scrapper living in thier back garden?
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PostPosted: 16:32 - 06 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any photos of the parts? Someone might go "that vaguely looks like an XYZ..." a bit of duct tape and a sharp knife, job's a good'un.

<edit> These?

https://www.hyosungspares.co.uk/products/front-intake-pipe-hyosung-gv125-gt125-gt125r?_pos=5&_sid=ed851310d&_ss=r&variant=7049144325
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1023/5205/products/44_5_1024x1024.png?v=1531900729
https://www.hyosungspares.co.uk/products/rear-intake-pipe-hyosung-gt125-gt125r-gv125?_pos=4&_sid=ed851310d&_ss=r&variant=7049122629
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1023/5205/products/GVGT125rearintakepipe_LRG_1024x1024_1_3a946e8a-f7ed-4374-9ce1-619a0c36a405_1024x1024.jpeg?v=1532685511

The rear looks very similar to a scooter intake rubber Thinking
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 06 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpha sports.com came up on a quick Google search, but you have full bike details, do some More research.

If those above are the correct parts, how much do they cost ?

I suspect the ones on the bike are split and perished, leaking air in ?

A temporary fix is super glue, but only a temp fix to allow the engine to run.
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 06 Feb 2021    Post subject: Parts Reply with quote

Ok, a bit pricey, but if that's how much theyCost new, then that's how much they cost.

Post some pictures on the ones on your bike, and does the engine run ?

If it does run, and seems to rev ok, but will not pull the skin off a rice pudding, check to see if both "carb slides" rise when throttle opened ?

They have a rubber diaphragm.
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 06 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about...

https://daelim-portugal.com/shopping/detalhe.asp?id=92518
https://daelim-portugal.com/shopping/detalhe.asp?id=92542
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 06 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:


You are a very smart cookie Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:30 - 06 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:


Yeh see , I found them, sadly sold out!
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 06 Feb 2021    Post subject: Re: Parts Reply with quote

bikenut wrote:
Ok, a bit pricey, but if that's how much theyCost new, then that's how much they cost.

Post some pictures on the ones on your bike, and does the engine run ?

If it does run, and seems to rev ok, but will not pull the skin off a rice pudding, check to see if both "carb slides" rise when throttle opened ?

They have a rubber diaphragm.


I’ll put up a picture as soon as I can.
Yes it does run Thumbs Up

One thing at a time, inlet manifolds and new o-rings first then I’ll work on the finer things!
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PostPosted: 18:47 - 06 Feb 2021    Post subject: Cool Reply with quote

Cool, enjoy...
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 06 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

As you've found, they're hens teeth. You can get them from Korea, or off a breaker (Startrite etc), those are your options.

I know a lad with a few twins, I sold him the rat (Single, not twin), I'll see if he has any for sale.
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PostPosted: 23:34 - 06 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Burn it send it to hell?

no?

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PostPosted: 23:41 - 06 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

You aint put up no pitchers av ya?

I've fixed cracked CX inlet rubbers with heat shrink that worked fine
but that is only good for straight runs
If they're split where they clamp or on a bend that's another process
In the abcess of new or decent second hand ones, I'd be looking at
the feasabilty of making one/some
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PostPosted: 23:51 - 06 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

only one but this any good?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Inlet-Rubber/184346579443?hash=item2aebe991f3:g:KtMAAOSwLuFe-lys

this engine has them and the breaker might flog em to you
if you ask nicely

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HYOSUNG-GT-125-R-2013-Engine/392661370314?_trkparms=aid%3D1110009%26algo%3DSPLICE.COMPLISTINGS%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20201210111452%26meid%3Dd8f1e8b523b24ebc8fddf22fb956c9d3%26pid%3D101196%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dnone%26sd%3D184346018970%26itm%3D392661370314%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DItemStripV101HighAdFee%26brand%3DHyosung&_trksid=p2047675.c101196.m2219
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PostPosted: 00:18 - 07 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the pics are correct the shape, plus the ports/spigots make sleeving very tricky.
If a repair is a consideration I'd not advise trying super glue or any old adhesive until you know what type of material they're made from
as you might contaminate them and compromise further repairs.

I'll guess they're nitrile maybe butyl or a rubber variety
silicon is bit soft for that job
I'd clean and de grease the feck out of them first and once the material
has been established/guessed, do a small test bond on a non critical area
to see if you get good results
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PostPosted: 01:39 - 07 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

worst case, you might remove the airbox and save it for the day you can score some new rubbers. then install a K&N universal filter as a temporary fix.
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PostPosted: 03:09 - 07 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

jeffyjeff wrote:
worst case, you might remove the airbox and save it for the day you can score some new rubbers. then install a K&N universal filter as a temporary fix.


They run like warmed up dogshit without the airbox. Not met anyone that could jet it right.

These bikes running one carb for the twin, it still wouldnt get around finding inlet rubbers, assuming these are the rubbers I think they are and it's not a 3AM brainfart.
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PostPosted: 05:23 - 07 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThatDippyTwat wrote:
They run like warmed up dogshit without the airbox. Not met anyone that could jet it right.

Well shit, that's no good. I hate it when critical rubber parts like that become old and hardened. Wonder if you could find some material with properties like muffler wrap, so that engine heat would help it fuse together. Then you could wrap the parts you have until new ones can be had.
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PostPosted: 11:35 - 07 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, inlet rubbers. They don't get that hot, quite the reverse in fact! An old engine will rely on the temperature drop of the vaporising petrol to help cool the engine. Fuel doesn't just go bang Wink

Plenty more bodge available though Smile How about a tube of silicone gasket? Might last a bit longer than the superglue fix as it's more flexible.
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PostPosted: 11:40 - 07 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many thanks for the input lads Thumbs Up Thumbs Up
Mr Forte, I might give that breaker a call about the rubbers on the engine, you never know?
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PostPosted: 11:44 - 07 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
You aint put up no pitchers av ya?



The bike is not at home atm: it’s having stuff done to it that I haven’t got facilitates to do.

Will put up pics when I can.
However the pics you put up are correct Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:10 - 07 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
In the abcess of new or decent second hand ones, I'd be looking at the feasabilty of making one/some

I was wondering about that generally, . The "fittings" of the original, steel end plate, take-offs, should be OK. These things are generally expensive, and due to being seemingly made of black pastry, will continue to deteriorate and become unavailable.

So it needs a former, which could I suppose be silicone rubber, smeared over the inside, leaving a hole through so that it's flexible, after which the core could be removed, and the rubber of the component got rid of, keeping the metal bits.

Then, the core could be reinforced (wax?), and a new component built up with high modulus silicone rubber sealant, which is cheap, layed over some sort of scrim (polyester?), to encase the metal parts and form the tube. A couple of layers should be really quite strong.

After, use heat to remove the wax, and remove the former.

I have not tried it, but I can see it becoming a necessity.
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 07 Feb 2021    Post subject: Faff Reply with quote

How about some moulded hose from the car world, or steel pipe and rubber cuffs, it's a scrappy field bike or going in the road, lots of ideas so a substitute possible...

3d printing, petrol proof material ???
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 07 Feb 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wound self-amalgamating rubber tape around my splitting XJ550 inlet rubbers - really, this stuff is mustard, and a must-have in every tool-box.
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PostPosted: 12:57 - 07 Feb 2021    Post subject: Re: Faff Reply with quote

bikenut wrote:
How about some moulded hose from the car world, or steel pipe and rubber cuffs, it's going on the road, lots of ideas so a substitute possible...

???


Damm good idea and one to keep Thumbs Up
The problem is that the space the carbs & inlet manifolds sit in is very tight.

A possible solution if nothing else works.
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 07 Feb 2021    Post subject: Re: Faff Reply with quote

bikenut wrote:
3d printing, petrol proof material ???

I have seen an example of a 3d printed inlet manifold somewhere. Hang on...

Edit: Ah yes, here we are:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9FAEArjMms

You will not the various shortcomings of this method.
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