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| Nobby the Bastard wrote: | Double the chance of minor symptoms, not infected.
As previously stated the vast number of asymptomatic have not taken a test. |
What? Those RATES are for covid infection, not "minor symptoms". So, no, you're talking shite. AS PREVIOUSLY STATED the vaccinated stand more chance of being asymptomatic, so would skew the gap in the rate even further if reported and included. You do understand this don't you, as you're arguing against yourself here?
The point still stands. According to the Government's own figures for week 41 (The latest), the vaccinated over 30 are more likely to be INFECTED with Covid. In some age groups, such as 40-49, you are over twice as likely to be INFECTED with Covid if you're vaccinated than if you're not.
This trend is also growing, not shrinking. You want to be asking yourself why, because risk is a poor excuse, when under 30's should stand more risk due to lack of social distancing. |
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No one has said vaccines reduce the spread |
Not taking issue with anything else you've said, but this one ^, yes they have. Some still continue to say it, although many have accepted they've had to u-turn on that. That's fair enough, as more becomes known, but your point quoted above is wrong. Minor detail 
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| Cable Tie wrote: | That's lovely petal, now explain why fully vaccinated people over 30 are far more likely to catch Covid than non vaccinated people. |
"Unvaccinated people are about 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with Covid-19 than those who are fully vaccinated, according to a study released Tuesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
The new study, published in the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, also found that unvaccinated people were nearly five times more likely to be infected with Covid than people who got the shots. The results are based on data from Los Angeles County between May 1 and July 25, the agency said.
"These infection and hospitalization rate data indicate that authorized vaccines were protective against SARS-CoV-2 infection and severe COVID-19 during a period when transmission of the Delta variant was increasing," the agency wrote in the study.
The data is in line with comments from federal and state health officials, who have been saying for weeks that millions of unvaccinated Americans have been putting themselves at serious risk of the delta variant, the most contagious coronavirus strain yet.
CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said Tuesday the data shows that "if you are not yet vaccinated, you are among those at highest risk."
"Do not underestimate the risk and serious consequences of this virus," she said during a White House briefing on the pandemic. "Vaccines are the best tool we have to take charge of this pandemic."
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/24/cdc-study-shows-unvaccinated-people-are-29-times-more-likely-to-be-hospitalized-with-covid.html |
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The new study, published in the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, also found that unvaccinated people were nearly five times more likely to be infected with Covid than people who got the shots. |
| martin734 wrote: | No one has said vaccines reduce the spread |
Is it just a matter of people not being careful about context?
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| Ste wrote: | | Cable Tie wrote: | That's lovely petal, now explain why fully vaccinated people over 30 are far more likely to catch Covid than non vaccinated people. |
"Unvaccinated people are about 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with Covid-19 than those who are fully vaccinated, according to a study released Tuesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
The new study, published in the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, also found that unvaccinated people were nearly five times more likely to be infected with Covid than people who got the shots. The results are based on data from Los Angeles County between May 1 and July 25, the agency said.
"These infection and hospitalization rate data indicate that authorized vaccines were protective against SARS-CoV-2 infection and severe COVID-19 during a period when transmission of the Delta variant was increasing," the agency wrote in the study.
The data is in line with comments from federal and state health officials, who have been saying for weeks that millions of unvaccinated Americans have been putting themselves at serious risk of the delta variant, the most contagious coronavirus strain yet.
CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said Tuesday the data shows that "if you are not yet vaccinated, you are among those at highest risk."
"Do not underestimate the risk and serious consequences of this virus," she said during a White House briefing on the pandemic. "Vaccines are the best tool we have to take charge of this pandemic."
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/24/cdc-study-shows-unvaccinated-people-are-29-times-more-likely-to-be-hospitalized-with-covid.html |
That's lovely petal, now explain why fully vaccinated people over 30 are far more likely to catch Covid than non vaccinated people.
We’re talking about factual figures published by our government, every week here, not some bullsh1t pro vaxx unsubstantiated “study” from the US, selecting data from the one region and timeframe of 3 months ago, so they could achieve the desired result.
Answer the question instead of deflecting it, because you don’t like the answer. |
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I'm finding it strange that an ethnic group - the Chinese - is least affected by Covid and it goes by without comment and yet rates being high for other non-white ppl gets "but! but! racism..." in the MSM 
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| Easy-X wrote: | I'm finding it strange that an ethnic group - the Chinese - is least affected by Covid and it goes by without comment and yet rates being high for other non-white ppl gets "but! but! racism..." in the MSM |
Well, come on, does anyone still believe is wasn't a bio weapon and the West are now sh1tting themselves in case they release another?
Captain Coincidence is blaming a "wet market" in the same area as the Wuhan Institute of Virology, where we know for a fact they were studying bat coronavirus, how potency could be increased and how it could be spread to humans. We also know, bizarrely, that the US were adding funding to this to the tune of $0.6M. This is all in the transcript of the Fauci hearing with the Senate where he was accused of lying.
We know the Chinese refused the now untrustworthy WHO into China for a whole year and even then forced a large proportion of the team to be CCP government officers. We also know that many of the small team on this project have mysteriously died or just disappeared.
China also, if you remember, were remarkably prepared for this sudden accident, with countless pre-fab hospitals capable of treating up to 10,00 patients each. They had all the staff and equipment to treat hundreds of thousands, just lying around waiting, just in case of a wet market incident, which has never ever happened before.
During the last couple of years, China has increased it's control over the West, bought up large swathes of resources in Africa, bought massive chunks of Western corporations as prices dropped like a stone and now hold a lot more power and control than before this "wet market accident".
Does anyone still believe this was an accident? No wonder long term untested vaccines are so popular. |
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China also, if you remember, were remarkably prepared for this sudden accident, with countless pre-fab hospitals capable of treating up to 10,00 patients each. They had all the staff and equipment to treat hundreds of thousands, just lying around waiting, just in case of a wet market incident, which has never ever happened before.
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They were put up by the military and are called field hospitals. In the west the general approach is to treat and then evac.
The chinese obviously decided prefab hospitals that can be put up wherever they are needed was a better approach. We do have some but they are smaller and are tent based due to our different approach.
I will remind you that some of the hospitals built in the second world war are still in use as givernment offices.
The two I can think of immedaitely are Flowers Hill, Bristol and Lingbenton, Blackpool.
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There's been all sorts of Covid related stuff previously and planning for a pandemic is up there with planning for a meteor strike in things that governments contemplate.
If we recall the whole "You will own nothing and be happy" debacle (of which Reuter does an excellent hatchet job here which deliberately misses the point in typical strawman fashion.) One of the associated "needs" to move forward the Globalist agenda was some sort of disaster or natural event. And lo, various governments around the world used Covid as a reason to steal various freedoms we'd previously taken for granted. Ben Franklin has a quote about it, clever guy
Now if one were to assume the "least deadly plague in human history" is a tool of the Globalists I have one question for you: are the Globalists using the Chinese or the Chinese using (or have infiltrated) the Globalists? Or maybe they've been one and the same all along 
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They were put up by the military and are called field hospitals. In the west the general approach is to treat and then evac. |
Military eh? All 100,000 beds worth of solid, prefab buildings. Good luck moving those around the globe and setting up during a war.
| Nobby the Naive wrote: | The chinese obviously decided prefab hospitals that can be put up wherever they are needed was a better approach. We do have some but they are smaller and are tent based due to our different approach. |
The Chinese are unique then, because every other military force uses tents as they're a damn site easier to ship to and put up in a war zone. We're not talking Afghan here, where we were there for 20 years. we're talking sudden conflict mobile hospitals near war zones. Those prefabs took the Chinese a fair few days and lots of heavy machinery to construct from prefab panels.
| Nobby the Irrelevant wrote: | I will remind you that some of the hospitals built in the second world war are still in use as givernment offices.
The two I can think of immedaitely are Flowers Hill, Bristol and Lingbenton, Blackpool. |
Sorry, relevance of solid built, permanent hospitals built in the UK during a war, to Chinese pre-fabs for 100,00 plus, ready and waiting for a Bio weapon release? |
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COVID deaths highest in UK.
Most deaths are for unvaccinated people.
There's a message there.
I wonder what numbers indicate for other countries?
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| Easy-X wrote: | There's been all sorts of Covid related stuff previously and planning for a pandemic is up there with planning for a meteor strike in things that governments contemplate.
If we recall the whole "You will own nothing and be happy" debacle (of which Reuter does an excellent hatchet job here which deliberately misses the point in typical strawman fashion.) One of the associated "needs" to move forward the Globalist agenda was some sort of disaster or natural event. And lo, various governments around the world used Covid as a reason to steal various freedoms we'd previously taken for granted. Ben Franklin has a quote about it, clever guy
Now if one were to assume the "least deadly plague in human history" is a tool of the Globalists I have one question for you: are the Globalists using the Chinese or the Chinese using (or have infiltrated) the Globalists? Or maybe they've been one and the same all along |
Well, were moving towards global Socialism, but I doubt the Chinese are chummy with the WEF. I think China accidentally on purpose released the virus from the WIV, knowing it would cripple Western economies and they could do a smash and grab on cheap stock, which they did in massive numbers, increasing their world power. Funny how this disease hasn't wiped poorer countries off the map isn't it, with their lack of vaccination, healthcare, lower hygiene and more cramped living conditions. Covid only seems to like rich, Western countries who can pay Pfi$er their pound of flesh.
I think the WEF led governments then saw Covid as the excuse they were looking for to extend control over the plebs, create new laws and restrictions, leading to eventually, diigtal ID apps such as the Chinese Citizen Scoring app, which will enable the WEF to control every aspect of people's lives, which will include money when they release their central bank digital currency.
I also think the WEF led governments have used the media to create fear and exaggerated the threat of Covid to make it easier for them to restrict and snatch more control over the plebs. 140,000 dead in almost 2 years "within 28 days of a test which we run hundreds of times more sensitive than the test manufacturer recommend", many of whom did not die of Covid or would have most likely died of another respiratory disease, like flu, which PHE recorded ZERO cases of last winter. 99.98% survive it, yet we're now putting 12 year olds on the Pfi$er regular customer base, who stand more chance of dying from the cure than the virus. The JVCI recommended against this, the govt ignored them and made them back track, whilst the media ignored it and the herd only listen to media outrage.
Imagine that, an establishment who can control when, how much and what you can spend your money on, according to how well to obey the establishment agenda.
BTW, the company behind the "we will never introduce it as a requirement, but we've developed it anyway" UK Vaxx pass app is the same company who developed the Chinese Social scoring app. |
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| MCN wrote: | COVID deaths highest in UK.
Most deaths are for unvaccinated people.
There's a message there.
I wonder what numbers indicate for other countries? |
Oh dear, someone else who can't see through the propaganda and twisting of figures.
Well over 90% of Covid deaths in the UK occurred long before the roll out of the second dose, after which people were fully vaccinated.
124,000 of the 139,000 died before February was out. The bulk of whom were in the second wave.
Look at it this way, the latest death (within 60 days of a positive specimen, or when it govt a vague mention on the death certificate)e for unvaccinated 40-49 year olds is 2.0 per 100,000 or 0.002%
The current death rate for VACCINATED 80+ year olds is 45.9 per 100,000 or 0.05%, so over 20 times more likely. 1382 deaths of vaccinated over 80's age group alone his latest week, less than 200 amongst ALL age groups in the unvaccinated group. Higher NUMBERS in unvaccinated? ONS figures disagree massively.
I'd say the main reason by 2000% + is age, not vaccinated status, but hey, I'm only going by ONS official (even tweaked to create a fear agenda. I mean come on, within 60 days of a flawed test, or a vague mention on the death cert?)) factual figures, not bullsh1t media and puppet government propaganda. |
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I suspect you've answered in the wrong thread and this should be in the Covid vaccine issue one, but hey ho, we all have senior moments.
Well, either they were in on it, as they were $0.6M in on the Bat Covid/transferring to humans research according to the Fauci hearing, or maybe they didn't have 100,000 prefab beds standing by, just in case a wet market, near the Wuhan Institute of Virology, where Bat Coronavirus was being studied, enhanced and developed so it could transfer to humans, sold a dodgy bat? |
Better to have a senior moment than be coimpletely bat-shit crazy.
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| Cable Tie wrote: | | MCN wrote: | COVID deaths highest in UK.
Most deaths are for unvaccinated people.
There's a message there.
I wonder what numbers indicate for other countries? |
Oh dear, someone else who can't see through the propaganda and twisting of figures.
Well over 90% of Covid deaths in the UK occurred long before the roll out of the second dose, after which people were fully vaccinated.
124,000 of the 139,000 died before February was out. The bulk of whom were in the second wave.
Look at it this way, the latest death (within 60 days of a positive specimen, or when it govt a vague mention on the death certificate)e for unvaccinated 40-49 year olds is 2.0 per 100,000 or 0.002%
The current death rate for VACCINATED 80+ year olds is 45.9 per 100,000 or 0.05%, so over 20 times more likely. 1382 deaths of vaccinated over 80's age group alone his latest week, less than 200 amongst ALL age groups in the unvaccinated group. Higher NUMBERS in unvaccinated? ONS figures disagree massively.
I'd say the main reason by 2000% + is age, not vaccinated status, but hey, I'm only going by ONS official (even tweaked to create a fear agenda. I mean come on, within 60 days of a flawed test, or a vague mention on the death cert?)) factual figures, not bullsh1t media and puppet government propaganda. |
Stop being such a fucking Donk.
You super-silly-ous Kunt.
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| MCN wrote: | COVID deaths highest in UK.
Most deaths are for unvaccinated people.
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I would have thought you'd all be celebrating deaths amongst the unvaccinated
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