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Snorty
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PostPosted: 12:57 - 06 Mar 2021    Post subject: Bike security Reply with quote

Hi all,

Been out of biking for a few years now, looking to get a bike, on occasion it will be left out of my garage for a few hours.

What's the best sort of chain/ground anchor/disk lock combo? I realise nothing is 100% safe but what are the good brands at the moment?

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PostPosted: 13:29 - 06 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pragmasis - https://securityforbikes.com/

I have a pair of their Torc ground anchors and they're excellent. I also have a 16mm chain and roundlock combo of theirs and, again, excellent.
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 06 Mar 2021    Post subject: Re: Bike security Reply with quote

Snorty wrote:
Hi all,

Been out of biking for a few years now, looking to get a bike, on occasion it will be left out of my garage for a few hours.

What's the best sort of chain/ground anchor/disk lock combo? I realise nothing is 100% safe but what are the good brands at the moment?

CHeers


I really, really like the RoadLok system:

https://roadlok.com/

All you need to do is carry the pin in your pocket while riding and insert it before walking away. Once it's set the thieves can't wheel it away because there's a hardened steel pin through the brake disc on the inside near the calliper itself. Location means they cannot cut the pin itself so unless they brought a set of locking screw removal tools they are going to have to angle-grind through the brake disc itself (min. two cuts) and then cut the RoadLok off the callipers which is another two cuts.

For me the best part is convenience. As the RoadLok is connected to the bike all the time, you only need to carry the key and the pin: nothing else and when it's parked and set the only thing you're carrying then is the key.
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 06 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Second Pragmasis. You'll find them via Google (security for bikes) as their not in shops.

The round-lock is great because its designed to spin under attack, but does need the two links of the chain to be firmly together before it can be placed into the middle of one of the links and secured in place.

If the 16 mm is only going to be used at home then there should be no issue with it (correct length ordered, of course) but if you're going to use the 16 mm out and about then you may want a d-lock as (16 mm shackle) from them too as it saves time and faff reparking if you're slightly too far away from object etc.

& a cover, of course (you can get half ones also).

Beyond that multiple is always best. D-locks can be used as disc locks, but that depends on the disc and wheel combo on the bike (same with round-lock).

Anything and everything and then some more. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 06 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pragmasis. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 06 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

In fact this thread has just inspired me to get round to doing what I said I'd do when I bought the BMW and get an Anti Pinch Pin to go through the rear hub hole-o-plenty. So I did..... and a new 13mm chain too Laughing

Another ~£250 spent like water.
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Snorty
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PostPosted: 17:18 - 06 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just put a deposit down on an FZ1.

My last bike (GSXR 1000 k4) got stolen when it was chained and disk-locked, the chain wasn't the most heavy duty but they chopped it and lifted it onto a flatbed.

Apparently there was like 4-5 of them so wasn't an issue lifting it. I only left it out of my sight for 20 mins or so.

Appreciate the replies - will look into pragmasis for sure. The chain I had had thick links but was pretty ubranded I think. They bolt-cropped it off.

Not ridden in like three years as it hiked my premiums up a bit too much and I didn't want to pay extra for being a victim of crime. Come down to something more reasonable now, 200 quid for year.
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PostPosted: 17:25 - 06 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bigger pragmasis chains are guaranteed not to be able to be bolt cropped.

That said, these days, portable angle grinders are the concern. Nothing lasts much more than a few minutes.

Biketrac or Monimoto might be worth looking into, also.
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PostPosted: 17:44 - 06 Mar 2021    Post subject: Re: Bike security Reply with quote

Snorty wrote:
on occasion it will be left out of my garage for a few hours.
What's the best sort of chain/ground anchor/disk lock combo?

To get a sensible answer you need to specify exactly where you want to secure your bike.

If it's in your garage the sky's the limit - you can buy a 30 kg top-end chain, anchor it to the ground, or add a bar across the garage door - all sorts. None of that's any use if you want security while out and about, or on tour.

If you need to carry the 'security' on your bike because you want to park anywhere, then it's a trade-off between weigh/bulk and theft resistance, and you're looking at the likes of lighter-weight chains, disk locks etc.

If you park at the same place regularly (eg your workplace or drive) then there are different options again - eg maybe you can fit a ground anchor there, and keep a massive chain or something locked to it 24/7, which you only actually use when you are parked there.

See what I mean?
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PostPosted: 21:05 - 06 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

At some point you need to make the call between buying security, changing your habits, or buying better insurance. If the bike is sat on your driveway in front of the garage, insurance probably won't cover - most of them have a garaging clause - so don't leave it on the drive.

Only buy what you will use, and use a range of different things, because they all have their own strengths and weaknesses. With the current products on offer I would have a chain and ground anchor for home, a disk lock or clever built-in caliper lock for out and about, and a tracker.

I wouldn't carry a chain unless I had a way to carry it safely - a properly mounted top box that can handle the weight. I'm more likely to crash than to get my bike nicked, and it would be ironic to get injured by my own security device.
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Snorty
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PostPosted: 10:15 - 09 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:
At some point you need to make the call between buying security, changing your habits, or buying better insurance. If the bike is sat on your driveway in front of the garage, insurance probably won't cover - most of them have a garaging clause - so don't leave it on the drive.

Only buy what you will use, and use a range of different things, because they all have their own strengths and weaknesses. With the current products on offer I would have a chain and ground anchor for home, a disk lock or clever built-in caliper lock for out and about, and a tracker.

I wouldn't carry a chain unless I had a way to carry it safely - a properly mounted top box that can handle the weight. I'm more likely to crash than to get my bike nicked, and it would be ironic to get injured by my own security device.

My friend used to ride with his chain over his shoulder... Laughing

The pragmasis chains look good. The bike will mostly be kept at home in a locked garage behind more valuables cars. The odd time it will be at my partner's address but not overnight.

Going to stick a ground anchor in her driveway and get a thick pragmasis chain. Cheers for the reply all!
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PostPosted: 16:44 - 09 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

another vote for Pragmasis, i have both the 16mm and 19mm chains, your not bolt cropping the 19mm, no way, and the 16mm would put up more than a fight too
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