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PostPosted: 22:19 - 15 Mar 2021    Post subject: One wonders... Reply with quote

I understand it's potentially a higher penalty for having a non-compliant number plate than not having one at all?

Wondering... if one's number plate were to break off or come away from the fixings (say for example it was not secured very well, or the screws rattled loose, or the holes where the screws go through got wider and wider to the point where the plate fell off), PURELY ACCIDENTALLY YOU UNDERSTAND, and one were to retrieve it and store it under the seat, and one didn't bother to get it fixed for an indefinite amount of time and try one's luck just riding around without the plate showing until one gets pulled over (my typical routes not being anywhere near London or a major city and limited motorway mileage to be honest so unlikely to be pulled over for a LONG time, if ever, as popo are scarce on my usual routes), and one were to just blag it if pulled over and say "yeah sorry it broke off earlier, I picked it up though it's under my seat I'll fix it when I get home".

One wonders how long one would/could get away with that. Whether it would wash or not.

Would be nice not to have to worry about speed cameras...

Purely hypothetical of course!
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 15 Mar 2021    Post subject: Re: One wonders... Reply with quote

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One wonders how long one would/could get away with that. Whether it would wash or not.

Probably only once, if you’re lucky. And then all you’ve done is attracted attention. You’d better be squeaky clean otherwise, because it’s an invitation to inspect you and your bike.
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 15 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparently the police have the ability to note down lid design, kit colour and type and bike type and colour... supposedly.
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PostPosted: 22:35 - 15 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some very quick Googling...

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/353546/drivers-could-get-points-number-plate-offences-under-proposed-law

So looks like currently a fine is worst case scenario but even if the new bill passes to give 3 points to number plate abusers, it's no worse than the dozens of speeding tickets one could have potentially avoided.

Seems like a no-brainer to me. Dunno if I've got the guts to do it or not though LOL.

I wasn't seriously considering it just curious as to the possible ramifications of deliberately (but not provable) not displaying a number plate. My scenario seems a lot more credible and able to talk your way out of than having a heavily italic/stylised number plate that blatantly can't be ready by ANPR.

I don't go blattering around like an idiot anyway so would be an excessive step for someone like myself to take just to eliminate the worry of static speed cameras but still, curious...
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 15 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Apparently the police have the ability to note down lid design, kit colour and type and bike type and colour... supposedly.


That's probably true but actually tracking the person down would require a lot of man power and even if they did it's still all circumstantial.
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 15 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would they even let you ride the bike away from being stopped without the number plate affixed?
If so, they're going to log the offence. Maybe you'll even have to produce the bike for inspection somewhere to check that you have rectified the fault, and I expect there would be a time constraint on getting it done.
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PostPosted: 22:42 - 15 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it would be a pretty harsh officer to not let you ride away but to cover all angles you could maybe carry some cable ties or other method of bodging the job that might not necessarily have been obvious to you at the time it fell off. For example no good saying the screws fell out, and when they say you can't ride it away you then produce a pair of screws, as that would make it blatantly obvious you were lying in the first place. But some method of 'fixing' it at the side of the road.

And yeah you may get a producer which I think has a 14 day timeframe? Some might consider that an inconvenience they'd be happy to face if collared.
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PostPosted: 23:10 - 15 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you could justify the money you could get an LCD number plate and just turn it off as you pass a camera.
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PostPosted: 23:16 - 15 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

In theory yes, but play the game ever so slightly wrong and you're PCOJ - which is more than points and a fine.

There's nothing a court loves more than setting an example of people who think laws can be bent or broken to suit.
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PostPosted: 23:21 - 15 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

My plate fell off once many years ago, I was stopped, as there was no mud or muck over where the plate should have been and the rest of the bike being very dirty, the officer didn't do anything except let me go on my way with the promise of getting it done. I was only about 3 miles from home too.
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PostPosted: 23:34 - 15 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
If you could justify the money you could get an LCD number plate and just turn it off as you pass a camera.


Didn't even know these were a thing. Are they legal?
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PostPosted: 23:59 - 15 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having no plate is a possible error or accident, having the wrong size or spaced plate is deliberate.
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PostPosted: 04:52 - 16 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly my point...
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PostPosted: 08:21 - 16 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally wouldn't want to be riding around with no numberplate - I'd think everyone would think I'd nicked it!
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PostPosted: 09:17 - 16 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tuberculosis wrote:
MarJay wrote:
Apparently the police have the ability to note down lid design, kit colour and type and bike type and colour... supposedly.


That's probably true but actually tracking the person down would require a lot of man power and even if they did it's still all circumstantial.


As Legal Eagle says on Youtube, Circumstantial evidence is still evidence. Plus, they might not seek you out, but they would give your description to a bunch of traffic cars and they'll pull you over for anything they can find. Dark visors, loud exhausts, slightly worn tyres, tread on the left boot not the same as the right? They'll do you for it.

The principle of the police force is that they are civilians with powers elevated above other civilians. That means if they want to be a d*ck to you, they will, and one of the things that grinds their gears is someone being cocky by trying to run without a plate.
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PostPosted: 09:31 - 16 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'd be better off not carrying the plate at all. Who the hell is going to notice it falling off mid ride?

Also if anyone's reported a motorcycle riding around with no plate previously and reported it, the cops are going to throw the book at you if they see its the same bike with the same rider on it when you do get pulled.
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 16 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you wanna avoid speed cameras on an empty road my trick is to go all the way into the oncoming lane for about 150ft whilst passing the camera.

Basically you are out of its vision when passing.
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PostPosted: 11:07 - 16 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ice Burger wrote:
If you wanna avoid speed cameras on an empty road my trick is to go all the way into the oncoming lane for about 150ft whilst passing the camera.

Don't the cameras usually span the whole width of the road though, to cover exactly this eventuality? I mean, that's the reason that the rows of white calibration lines extend to the other side of the road, not just the lane which the camera's pointed at?

Other than that, the only times I've been caught by a speed camera is when I haven't spotted the bloody things. If you do see them - um, isn't it simpler just to slow down to the legal limit when you pass?
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 16 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:

The principle of the police force is that they are civilians with powers elevated above other civilians. That means if they want to be a d*ck to you, they will, and one of the things that grinds their gears is someone being cocky by trying to run without a plate.


Fair enough but what grinds my gonads is the number of people with wank-plates, badly spaced, distorted numbers/letters wrong coloured bolts to try and create a half-arsed personalised plate you know the sort
- why do they never seem to get nicked?!
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PostPosted: 11:15 - 16 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Freddyfruitbat wrote:
Ice Burger wrote:
If you wanna avoid speed cameras on an empty road my trick is to go all the way into the oncoming lane for about 150ft whilst passing the camera.

Don't the cameras usually span the whole width of the road though, to cover exactly this eventuality? I mean, that's the reason that the rows of white calibration lines extend to the other side of the road, not just the lane which the camera's pointed at?

Other than that, the only times I've been caught by a speed camera is when I haven't spotted the bloody things. If you do see them - um, isn't it simpler just to slow down to the legal limit when you pass?


Works on speed camera islands in the centre of the road with cameras facing towards the pavement
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 16 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tuberculosis wrote:
Easy-X wrote:
If you could justify the money you could get an LCD number plate and just turn it off as you pass a camera.


Didn't even know these were a thing. Are they legal?


"Show use only" like so many other parts that might find their way onto your bike Wink
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 16 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

2007, I forgot to put the plate back on my RR7 after washing it (it was velcroed), I was stopped and the copper just wanted to check the bike was really mine (and ask why no plate). I thought it had fallen off. He was fine with it, told me to get it sorted asap and let me go on my way.
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 16 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

xX-Alex-Xx wrote:
Who the hell is going to notice it falling off mid ride?


Probably nobody, you're right, but it's not inconceivable for the rider to notice at his/her next stop and retrace their steps and find it. It's not as wildly far-fetched as you make out.



A100man wrote:
Fair enough but what grinds my gonads is the number of people with wank-plates, badly spaced, distorted numbers/letters wrong coloured bolts to try and create a half-arsed personalised plate you know the sort
- why do they never seem to get nicked?!


Kinda my point. These people get away with it for ages, indefinitely in some cases. No reason to suggest having a clearly broken plat would be any different. The type of cop to pull you up for one is the same cop who'd pull you up for the other. Mainly traffic cops etc. I reckon most bobbies in a patrol car on way from a domestic abuse case to station to write up the report isn't going to be interested/care.
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 16 Mar 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
2007, I forgot to put the plate back on my RR7 after washing it (it was velcroed), I was stopped and the copper just wanted to check the bike was really mine (and ask why no plate). I thought it had fallen off. He was fine with it, told me to get it sorted asap and let me go on my way.


Was he a traffic cop?
I ask because after an off I'd had, a local cop who arrived to help warned me that traffic cops were on their way and to be careful what I told them cos they'd be angling for a nick.
So it depends perhaps on who stops you, and what mood they're in even. Bit of a lottery.
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 16 Mar 2021    Post subject: Re: One wonders... Reply with quote

Tuberculosis wrote:
I understand it's potentially a higher penalty for having a non-compliant number plate than not having one at all?

Wondering... if one's number plate were to break off or come away from the fixings (say for example it was not secured very well, or the screws rattled loose, or the holes where the screws go through got wider and wider to the point where the plate fell off), PURELY ACCIDENTALLY YOU UNDERSTAND, and one were to retrieve it and store it under the seat, and one didn't bother to get it fixed for an indefinite amount of time and try one's luck just riding around without the plate showing until one gets pulled over (my typical routes not being anywhere near London or a major city and limited motorway mileage to be honest so unlikely to be pulled over for a LONG time, if ever, as popo are scarce on my usual routes), and one were to just blag it if pulled over and say "yeah sorry it broke off earlier, I picked it up though it's under my seat I'll fix it when I get home".

One wonders how long one would/could get away with that. Whether it would wash or not.

Would be nice not to have to worry about speed cameras...

Purely hypothetical of course!


Genuinely wonder what the point is? Are you going to be blasting it all the time or something? If it's taxed, MOT'd and insured then it just looks suspicious as fuck if you don't have a registration plate.

I don't know Rick, looks criminal to me.
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