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PostPosted: 00:55 - 05 Apr 2021    Post subject: A question of taste: choosing a classic bike Reply with quote

After a few weeks of pulling miracles out my arse getting two old Hondas running I've decided if I were to ever get another classic bike it wouldn't be something with a bank of 4 interlinked carbs!

What's got ez-mode maintenance, reasonable parts availability and pre-1981 ('82 at a push) for the heritage discounts. The Benley CD200 on the "eBay's worst" thread is tempting but it'd need to be happy to do 60 on NSL roads on occasion (i.e. sunny afternoon, heading to Box Hill.)
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PostPosted: 07:07 - 05 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

CX500? Dead easy to work on.

Maybe not quite classic enough in shape?
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 05 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Benly would happily do 70 I'd say, just not for prolonged periods - much like my Enfield, I reckon.

Suzuki GN250? My mate has one that he's had for ~15 years and will never part with it.
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 05 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Suzuki GN250? My mate has one that he's had for ~15 years and will never part with it.


Solid little bastards those. If I could find one that's not been attacked with an angle grinder for about £1K, I'd happily commute one.
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 05 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

buy this quick!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1979-Honda-cx-500-e/254923729171?hash=item3b5aa36913:g:rssAAOSwVtpgZMRx

shaft drive water cooled tourer

all it need is clip ons, a brown seat, cheap clocks, exhaust tape and the rear frame cutting off to make it truly classic

seriously though folks

Easy for the home mechanic to work on
a shit ton of online info, tips and tricks to upgrade and keep it running
Cruise at 70 easily all day long, 50 mpg when set up well and not caned.
They have issues just like any other bike but solutions and alternatives all well documented by now.

If I wanted another one I'd probably just do enough to use it as a
fun/rat/hack
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 05 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about an old pre 1970 Triumph?

I read ‘Classic Bike’ most months.
I genuinely believe that there is nothing you can’t get for a pre 1970 Triumph.


Sadly for me, I can’t think of a pre 1970 Triumph motorcycle that I could afford that floats my boat Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 05 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:53 - 05 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suzuki 250's sound like a good shout. Could easily fettle with it for a year before changing it to "historic" on the V5 Thumbs Up CX500... hard to find one that hasn't been totally fucked with, as exampled in the other thread Sad

I suppose it's a choice between dropping two bags on something already running and in good nick or finding something unloved like this:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-XJ650/124611291370
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 05 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just remembered dint yu say you wus a short arse?
You'd probly hate a CX anyway.
They can feel top heavy initially even you is a lofty sod like me

what about a Yamaha Viagra 535?
A neighbour had one and it was light as a feather compared to my CX
and we all knows you is like well gay anyway innit Razz
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 05 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Air cooled stroker, like a RD250DX would be my choice, plenty of bits available, easy to tweak but without the LC tax.
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 05 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blah blah wrote:
Air cooled stroker, like a RD250DX would be my choice, plenty of bits available, easy to tweak but without the LC tax.


Hasn't it been widened to a general RD tax these days? Or even a Jap 2T tax? Just hope they haven't all been kept in barns for the last 20 years Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 05 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

An MZ.

An ETZ at a push but a TS250 or ES250 are more "classic".

They are actually relatively quick and can be made to be very quick.

Piece of piss to work on, good knowledge base and parts supply. Suprisingly well made in many respects. Quality of the tinwork and alloy on them eclipses anything the japs make.

You need a period of mental re-adjustment to get over things like a hammer being a valid tool to use to fit an exhaust.
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 05 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Blah blah wrote:
Air cooled stroker, like a RD250DX would be my choice, plenty of bits available, easy to tweak but without the LC tax.

Hasn't it been widened to a general RD tax these days? Or even a Jap 2T tax? Just hope they haven't all been kept in barns for the last 20 years Rolling Eyes

Almost all 2T's. I saw an AR80 up for silly money the other day. They were shitters first time round, and didn't age well.
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An MZ.

I have a hankering for an ETZ250. Even MZ's are getting the 2T tax now though.
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PostPosted: 21:19 - 05 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

All RD’s are expensive, I was looking at a 200DX on Friday that someone had paid 4K for, and they aren’t a great bike.

All RD250/350/400 are silly money, even for projects, despite good spares availability.

CB250 and 350K became valuable as soon as they became the dominant small capacity bike in CMRC.

If you want something to potter around on then things like the GN250 are a good shout other than their appeal to the hipster scene.
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 05 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mylarballoonsfan wrote:
All RD’s are expensive, I was looking at a 200DX on Friday that someone had paid 4K for, and they aren’t a great bike.


I always thought they'd be a bit of a hoot. What lets them down? Besides period-type datedness I mean?
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 05 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny, at Box Hill on Sunday the first thing I saw when I hoped off my bike was an MZ. Some sort of omen Wink
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PostPosted: 23:42 - 05 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't restore simply because I can't think of a bike I'd like to have that wouldn't be silly money even in a shit barn find state. I'd love to have an old Mk1 Goldwing or Guzzi T3. Even an AMF Harley 2 stroke Embarassed or a boring DT175 but anything a bit unusual or rare old is premium money.

I'd rather do something stupid from a custom point of view like a totally OTT Swedish style chopper with whatever doner bike I could get at a decent price. A mini one with a superdream engine would be a laugh.

Of course you would need more money than sense for that as well.
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 06 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:


I always thought they'd be a bit of a hoot. What lets them down? Besides period-type datedness I mean?


Shit Dynastart system.

Gearbox made of cheese.

DX models underpowered.

Stupid vertically split crackcase design.

By the time the DX models came out, despite the new clothes and (shit) front disc brake the design was about ten years out of date, being basically a development of the 60's 180cc twins. Suzuki did a clean sheet redesign of their 200 and came up with the X5, which had horizontally split cases, CDI ignition, proper electric start and 3 phase AC charging as well as being quite a bit lighter.
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PostPosted: 15:15 - 06 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mylarballoonsfan wrote:
chickenstrip wrote:


I always thought they'd be a bit of a hoot. What lets them down? Besides period-type datedness I mean?


Shit Dynastart system.

Gearbox made of cheese.

DX models underpowered.

Stupid vertically split crackcase design.

By the time the DX models came out, despite the new clothes and (shit) front disc brake the design was about ten years out of date, being basically a development of the 60's 180cc twins. Suzuki did a clean sheet redesign of their 200 and came up with the X5, which had horizontally split cases, CDI ignition, proper electric start and 3 phase AC charging as well as being quite a bit lighter.


I guess that's off the list of bikes to be interested in then!
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 06 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:


I suppose it's a choice between dropping two bags on something already running and in good nick or finding something unloved like this:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-XJ650/124611291370


Sorry to disappoint but This one has a bank of four carbs - they may even be Hitachis Shocked I have the 550 version (with a later 600 motor in it), Mikunis.
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PostPosted: 16:42 - 06 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

A100man wrote:


Sorry to disappoint but This one has a bank of four carbs - they may even be Hitachis Shocked I have the 550 version (with a later 600 motor in it), Mikunis.


They are Hitachi carbs. I had one. It was quite nice to ride for a ~£500 bike. The carbs are a problem. It's now old enough that they need a proper rebuild and new throttle shaft seals. Good luck finding them.

I was on the looking for a bank of carbs from something else that could be made to fit, then the bike got nicked and I no longer had that problem to deal with.

As for OP, standard answer, CB250RS. Check for rust in the frame behind the engine, between the footpegs. It rots away to nothing.
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 06 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThatDippyTwat wrote:
Even MZ's are getting the 2T tax now though.



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PostPosted: 17:53 - 06 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

anything two stroke automatically commanding 2 grand more
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PostPosted: 18:36 - 06 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:
anything two stroke automatically commanding 2 grand more


Ta. Does this include outboard motors? Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 06 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blurredman wrote:
trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:
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Ta. Does this include outboard motors? Laughing Laughing Laughing


I hope so I must have loads (3) in varying degrees of usability. I'm almost at Jack Butler levels of hoarding. Dance!
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