What the Faux?

[Tracey Suntan-King]

[chickenstrip]

Fine, have a vegan foods specialist. But why would you insist on calling it a "butcher's"?

TSK, it's almost like you're now thinking it's perfectly logical, or trying to excuse it, a change of tone from your OP?
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[Tracey Suntan-King]

[chickenstrip]

The one thing they're butchering is the English language.
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[hellkat]

Bubble tea
Yeh, what the fuck was THAT all about?
I got talked into some once or twice by some young birds I was working with, fucking mental stuff.
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[Weisse Schlange]

Why do people care what others eat.? or what they want to call it ?.
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[Shaft]

[chickenstrip]

Bollox
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[Islander]

[Polarbear]

[MCN]

[scoobydaz]

A couple of things trigger me with vegetarians and vegans, I'll explain.

We have family friends who are vegetarian, no biggy, we all have our own thing - however when they come to us we make a HUGE effort to accommodate them, I will make arancini, we will make a big salad and we get their special meat free sausages and burgers (why make vegetable and beans look like meat???) I will cook their burgers and sausages on a newly cleaned grill on the BBQ before our meat goes on and there is always several nice cheeses that they like (and us too) available so that they don't go home hungry, they are always happy when leaving us.

Now when we have been invited to theirs, there is only vegetarian stuff available, bread, cheese, crisps and some bad dough pizza with tomato's and cheese (the cheap stuff) toppings and only 4 between nine people. Not even a fucking bean burger or lentil casserole (which I rather like) we spend about £40 accommodating them (that doesn't include our meat and stuff) and they spend about £20 on the whole dinner. Not FAIR and EQUITABLE in my eyes - I've honestly given up asking them over!!!

The other day we were out walking and were accosted by a woman who wanted to give us a leaflet about Veganism and wanted to engage with us - OK I thought lets see where this goes.

Her opening gambit was would you eat your Dog - My reply was YES but only when she's put a bit of meat on her bones as she's only just a year old and needs fattening up.

I pointed out I was joking, but her question is unfair and unrealistic, we don't eat dogs as a society and we didn't purchase the dog for that purpose. We then stated that we are meat eaters, this triggered her big time and she said we shouldn't eat meat because -"think of the little frightened things being slaughtered" and "you should feel guilty for eating animals" these in my opinion are weak and ineffectual arguments, childish even.

Give me statistics on animal abuse, maltreatment or even habitual hormone use to speed growth and aid profitability, then I might start engaging a bit with the cause, however I have been brought up on meat and am happy to turn a blind eye to the corporate greed and maltreatment of animals in favour of my own taste requirements and even the detrimental health effects eating meat may cause.

I would like to point out that she wasn't wandering around naked, she was clothed in jeans, t-shirt, jumper and nice fabric walking boots all manufactured in bulk by poorly paid workers for large corporations whose sole aim in life is to provide income and benefits for its shareholders and bosses.

Veganism especially, and vegetarianism to a degree, isn't a sustainable way of life unless one is going to embrace LOCAL food sources and goods.

If you want to be vegan then eat seasonable veg and fruit, not the fruit and veg grown abroad and transported thousands of mile to our doorstep, which is picked and packed by itinerant poorly paid workers, treated with various chemicals to ripen it, or prevent early ripening, kept in artificially chilled warehouses (green house gasses are predominantly caused by AC chemicals) filled with dangerous gasses to keep out insects and prevent ripening again (there have been several deaths due to this)

Stop drinking Lattes with almond milk, another artificially over grown non native plant that is swamping California and killing millions of bees which are used to pollinate the trees and then disposed of once no longer required, eating avocados, lentils and pulses which cover more air miles than most other fruits and veg do and just eat local.

Once she worked out that we weren't going to bite she walked off in a hurry saying that she was going to find some 'nice people' who cared about others........ a slur against a family she knew nothing about ad which after five minutes triggered my wife big time - thank god we didn't see her again.

We probably all have a part to play in a fairer world, where animals are treated better and abused less, however until we can treat the PEOPLE of the world better, those that work for pence a day making the things we take for granted, those who are displaced due to war, those suffering famine and injustice whilst their rulers get fatter and richer, those in poverty kept down at heal by drug dealers and pimps, those trafficked for others pleasures, those working 60-100 hrs a week to just scrape by whilst their employers use their pension money to buy another yacht then I'm afraid the animals will have to wait their turn.

I'm not anti animal, I would never harm an animal intentionally nor cause one to be harmed just as would not do these things to another human, but until we all realise this from the top to the bottom, then we shall just keep repeating the same things over and over again.

However, there will never be a shift in thinking at the top level, they will always abuse those under them, those in the middle (most of us here I would imagine) will always be able to find an angle to make ourselves comfortable and able to turn a blind eye (I mean no disrespect, I do it too) to those at the bottom who's struggle and focus is just to survive.

Veganism is just a militant form of vegetarianism, one that satisfies the Vegans self deluded, self image of superiority over others - just another egotistical fascist.
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[Polarbear]

^^^ All good points ^^^

I am very cynical about humans. TBH we are a blight on the planet and the 6 or 7 billion of us are of much less worth individually than a Tiger or Rhino that is down to a few thousand due to human actions.

Is there an answer, well stop making vaccines and let nature take it's course might have been a start except we need to get rid of billions, not just a few million.

As far as veganism goes, fine, fill your boots but don't think that if we all turn vegan the fluffy lambs and the pretty calves will be allowed to grow old and have a wonderful life in the fields. Farmers (and I have a cousin who is one) regard their animals as walking pound signs and if it's cheaper to kill them, kill them they will and turn to another crop be it animal or vegetable. I can't blame them, I'd probably be the same in their shoes. The lovey dovey farms you see on Countryfile do very little for the country, it's factory farming of what ever animal or vegetable crop that feeds us.

We in the UK and Europe can do what we want to improve things but unless the whole world gets on board with changes we are pissing against the wind. When you have billions of Indians shitting untreated human waste into rivers and Brazil burning down thousands of acres of rainforest a year what hope has the world. (I'm just using them as a couple of examples, it is what it is).
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[MCN]

The attitude that makes me LOL is when an animal is cruelly treated and some cnut says something like, I hate seeing animals suffer, I hate humans.
WTF?
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[stinkwheel]

Conversely. While I'm not a vegan, I quite like trying to sneak a totally vegan meal past my Dad and see if he notices (and I don't mean meat substitute shite). If he doesn't kick-off into a rant about bloody vegetarians, I see it as a positive reflection on my cooking. My mum is usually complicit in this.

On the plus side, most vegans make the mistake of assuming that because something is vegan, it is als healthy. Most of them have no idea how to construct a nutritionally balanced meal and as such, eat a lot of junk food and are ill all the time. I could manage one but it would be hard work.

I have had to cut down on the amount of meat I eat because it does actually make me ill if I have too much of certain types of protein. So I'll have two days of being a veggie so I can have bacon rolls and Lorne sausage at the weekend... I am being a thoroughly filthy veggie tonight. Mac cheese and bean chilli with dirty fries on the side.
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[MCN]

[Easy-X]

[chickenstrip]

[Easy-X]

[chickenstrip]

[hellkat]

Even I am happy to eat so-called Vegan food.
If I see it on the label I tend to ignore it.
Whether that is , e.g., "ignore it and leave it on the shelf" or "ignore that it's vegan and just eat it anyway".

Vegetarian or meat, who cares, as long as it's food and it tastes nice.
(except not fried tarantula legs, okay).

I even ate "vegan" yoghurt recently and liked it (made from soy but tasting like cool creamy coconut, om nom nom).

I just hate "fake" food. And there is already far too much of it around

Got to admit I tend to avoid too much reality when it comes to pictures of hormonally-induced bacon or just how many spicy wings does a single chicken actually have? So I don't plan to reconsider my biased viewpoint too far beyond "comfortably ignorant".

I know there's all this hoo-ha about lab-grown food, and I hope that I can tell the difference between a lab-grown roast lamb and one that has pranced briefly but joyously on a field of green grass.

But if I can't, well I'll probably nearly be dead anyway by then
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[Polarbear]

[MCN]

[Tracey Suntan-King]

[stinkwheel]

Just because it's been mentioned twice now which shows the power of the Vegan (capital V) propoganda machine...

You do all know that it's illegal to use hormone growth promoters in livestock in the UK? Has been since the early 1980's. Animals are randomly tested for them at abbatoirs and in any case, because they are illegal, there is no way of getting hold of them.

Just thought I should point that out.

They use them in the US but the hormone treated meat has to be clearly labelled and is usually in a seperate section of the chill counter (it's much cheaper).
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