My idea... Better than scottoiler?

buddy · Trackday Trickster Joined: 07 Mar 2009 Karma :

So my bike came with a vacuum operated scottoiler to me it seems overcomplicated, annoying to fill up and stupid because if youre leaving the bike warming up its just dumping oil on the chain.

Why is it not just a valve that opens when the kickstand is flicked up? To me this seems an obvious idea but i cant see anyone who has done it... Why? I cant see any issues why this wouldn't work.
Criticism welcome.
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stinkwheel · Bovine Proctologist Joined: 12 Jul 2004 Karma :

I remember one of the ratbike lads I know making what he referred to as a "scatoiler" using the ball valve out of a hamster drinking bottle on the basis it only released oil when it was bouncing about.
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buddy · Trackday Trickster Joined: 07 Mar 2009 Karma :

Its on carbs, it runs like an old camel for the first few minutes. The main gripe is the way to fill it up. Some crap little bung thing (which is old, malformed and fucked) and a syringe.

The whole unit has to be in a certian orientation. Its just overcomplicated. My idea is much simpler, a nice little stainless valve from swagelock and a little tank with a lid.

Nobody seems to have done it though so presumably its a crap idea but I dont see why, and i dont want to waste my time if it is a crap idea.
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MCN · Super Spammer Joined: 22 Jul 2015 Karma :

So it's not a problem with the scotoiler then.

Maybe not enough thought was used when it was fitted.

The bike specific guides on the scotoiler website list almost all bikes.
They have been doing this for years and every bike in their list they fitted a system to.

Maybe have a shoofti at their pages and maybe buy the parts to fix your system.
Everything last for a certain time.

I have an e-system plus the lube-tube on my S1000RR never had any issues with that.
I wipe the chain with chain cleaner at wash time and wipe again with the scotoil then the system does the rest. No phaphery.
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buddy · Trackday Trickster Joined: 07 Mar 2009 Karma :

Im not denying it works, just seems overcomplicated. The question is, why not a valve thats operated by the kickstand?
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kgm · World Chat Champion Joined: 04 Jun 2015 Karma :

Tutoro oilers are not vacuum connected and work based in movement, a bit like the 'scat oiler' idea mentioned above.

davebike · World Chat Champion Joined: 15 Nov 2013 Karma :

Tutoro oilers I fitted a good few and used them easier to fill than Scottoiler but in my view a bit less good and struggle in sub-zero temperatures

Both work very well
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Nobby the Bastard · Harley Gaydar Joined: 16 Aug 2013 Karma :

There's an electrically operated scotoiler if you don't like how the vacuum one works.

To my mind, one single pipe going to the inlet to generate the vacumm to activate the valve is brilliant in it's simplicity and lack of parts.
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yen_powell · World Chat Champion Joined: 22 Jun 2008 Karma :

I gave up on chain oilers in the end, the idea is good, the reservoirs were okay, it was the bit putting the oil on the chain I spent all my time repairing or adjusting.

It was less work to just run some oil on the inside of a running chain when I got home at night after a rainy journey. In dry weather I didn't even need to do that. I was getting as good a mileage on my chains without as with a scott oiler or one of the other makes I tried at various times.
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Nobby the Bastard · Harley Gaydar Joined: 16 Aug 2013 Karma :

The oil from mine drips from the front sprocket cover and not from where the scottoiler applies the oil.

Thats because thats where it tends to collect and my scottoiler spiggot is adjusted to 1) not dump fuckloads of oil on the chain (2-3 drips minute is sufficient) and 2) placed in the correct position.
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xX-Alex-Xx · World Chat Champion Joined: 12 Sep 2019 Karma :

I had a Scottoiler and never had any issues with it. I always start the bike and put my gear on while it's starting to warm up. Just make sure your feed isn't set excessively high (and adjust it based on ambient temperature and oil thickness), and it's fine.

Failing that, get the electronic model which only opens the valve when you're moving.

Kind of agree with the filler hole on it, but I always used a 3-in-1 oil can as the tip of that was perfect for filling it.
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stinkwheel · Bovine Proctologist Joined: 12 Jul 2004 Karma :

For what it's worth, Yes, your idea would probably work if you cam fabricate an appropriate valve. As would a valve that opens when you sit on the saddle.

One thing I've seen done a few times is for someone to drill and tap the inspection "plug" on the alternator cover (the one you put a socket through to turn the crank), fit a spigot and run a hose from there to the chain. A small amount of engine oil us generally "breathed" out through this hole, enough to lube the chain. If it's too much you can put one of those screw-on hose clamps to reduce the flow. It's seldom wrong to have extra crankcase breathing anyway.
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buddy · Trackday Trickster Joined: 07 Mar 2009 Karma :

Thanks for your replies lads Smile

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MarJay · But it's British! Joined: 15 Sep 2003 Karma :

Google Loobman and Tutoro.
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Here is my Scottoiler:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51128065529_d2d7bd69e5.jpg
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