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PostPosted: 12:26 - 19 Apr 2021    Post subject: Yoshimura Torque Management System Reply with quote

Hi all,

As discussed in a previous thread I pretty much decided that (barring anything throwing a spanner in the works) the first proper big-boy bike I was going to get is the 2021 Suzuki Katana.

I have been looking up parts and accessories for it and I have decided to go with the full Yoshimura titanium exhaust for it. While on their website I saw they do a modification they call the "Torque Management System", as shown at the link:

https://shop.yoshimura-jp.com/en/product/syousai.php?id=20196

Is it something worth getting and having installed on the bike or is it just some marketing wank? I was going to take it to a dyno & tune place since it was getting the exhaust changed so would need re-mapped anyway.

Also going to use a fender-delete kit since that rear fender looks fucking awful. Only other thing I need to consider is if changing the stock pipe will stop me putting panniers on it once in a while.
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 19 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well there's a dyno curve but the gains don't look huge.

How much is it fitted in the UK?
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 19 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

It says it smooths torque through middle to top end. Is there a problem there on these bikes? I wouldn't have thought so. And any gains do seem to be right at the top, almost when maxed out, so I don't think it'd be that useful for a road bike.
I would say get the bike and ride it as is first, and see how you feel about such mods then.
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 19 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get the standard ECU remapped. It'll work better an it'll be invisible in terms of external inspection.
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 19 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you going to go for the Samurai pack and heated grips?
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PostPosted: 15:39 - 19 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raza wrote:
Are you going to go for the Samurai pack and heated grips?


Yeah but I rode my Chinese 125 during this last winter and to be honest I didn't it got bad enough to warrant heated grips. I will still get it though, better to have an not need than need and not have.

Mylarballoonsfan wrote:
Well there's a dyno curve but the gains don't look huge.

How much is it fitted in the UK?


The part itself is £800ish and I don't know how much fitting would be but I reckon it's safe to assume it's a £1,000 mod.

chickenstrip wrote:
It says it smooths torque through middle to top end. Is there a problem there on these bikes? I wouldn't have thought so. And any gains do seem to be right at the top, almost when maxed out, so I don't think it'd be that useful for a road bike.
I would say get the bike and ride it as is first, and see how you feel about such mods then.


Actually, that's a really good point since I won't be anywhere near topping the bike out in reality.

MarJay wrote:
Get the standard ECU remapped. It'll work better an it'll be invisible in terms of external inspection.


Is this because it could cause issues with warranty or because it would be a problem come its' first MOT?
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 19 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fat Angry Scotsman wrote:


Is this because it could cause issues with warranty or because it would be a problem come its' first MOT?


Warranty, inspection, insurance. MOT is irrelevant though.
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PostPosted: 16:06 - 19 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:

Warranty, inspection, insurance. MOT is irrelevant though.


This might be a stupid question, but changing the exhaust to a full-system probably invalidates your warranty right?
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 19 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fat Angry Scotsman wrote:


This might be a stupid question, but changing the exhaust to a full-system probably invalidates your warranty right?


I think any mod that increases engine performance could potentially do that. I don't know that it automatically would, but if you had engine/running problems of some kind, it might well do. It's possible that the manufacturer might have a list of authorised mods or after-market suppliers that don't.
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PostPosted: 09:38 - 20 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
I think any mod that increases engine performance could potentially do that. I don't know that it automatically would, but if you had engine/running problems of some kind, it might well do. It's possible that the manufacturer might have a list of authorised mods or after-market suppliers that don't.


Thanks mate, I am genuinely surprised the only thing it doesn't fuck is the MOT since the full system would decat the bike and cause untold numbers of polar bears to drop dead.
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 20 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm
Okey doke.

A pipe won't invalidate a Suzuki warranty.

It looks fucking awful with a tail tidy, the standard looks far better.

A remap to maybe switch off the fuel cut on decell is one thing, but getting a Katana remapped and fitting a full system is going to make for one hell of a first big bike.

I said earlier, the Katana is dead easy to ride and is seriously quick.
You're planning to turn it into a beast for road use . Wise ?? who knows.
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PostPosted: 12:05 - 20 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weisse Schlange wrote:
Hmm
Okey doke.

A pipe won't invalidate a Suzuki warranty.


Fair enough.

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I said earlier, the Katana is dead easy to ride and is seriously quick.
You're planning to turn it into a beast for road use . Wise ?? who knows.


I understand it though. When I started out I got my hands on the most powerful bike that I had fallen in love with just through reading about them in magazines, and was captured by the look too (Kawasaki GPz750 Turbo).
Just start in easy with it. If it's your first big bike, accept that you don't really know how to ride yet, learn slowly. But it probably isn't wise to tune it as well before you have any experience. You just won't have a clue how to use that power. You can always come to that later when you know a bit more what it's all about. On mine, I nearly came a cropper quite early on, only luck that I got away with it. It certainly taught me to respect the thing.
First time you really open the throttle, you'll probably think, feck me, this doesn't need any more power! anyway.
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 20 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weisse Schlange wrote:
Hmm
Okey doke.

A pipe won't invalidate a Suzuki warranty.

It looks fucking awful with a tail tidy, the standard looks far better.

A remap to maybe switch off the fuel cut on decell is one thing, but getting a Katana remapped and fitting a full system is going to make for one hell of a first big bike.

I said earlier, the Katana is dead easy to ride and is seriously quick.
You're planning to turn it into a beast for road use . Wise ?? who knows.


I actually just wanted it to sound aggressive as opposed to wanting to make it into a faster beast. I thought that a full system would need remapping because of fuelling, etc. If you think that it would change it from being an easy ride then I am willing to defer it for a while to get used to the stock bike.

One thing I disagree on is the fender delete. I think the Katana is striking to look at from every angle except the rear quarter. I don't like the fender, on my current Chinese bike it has a similar rear fender and if it wasn't for the fact I knew I was going to be selling it and getting a Katana: I would delete the fender on that too.
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PostPosted: 13:35 - 20 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

When it comes to cosmetics, you do what you like.
For sound, just go for a decent can - save a fair bit of weight too, likely. If it's really loud, you'll probably get fed up with it soon enough, especially on long trips (and never mind what the neighbours think Laughing ).
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PostPosted: 14:15 - 20 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

YOLO - get the full system, stick a power commander in there and map it. As long as you can trust yourself not to willfully be a moron, though that's a moot point as willfully being a moron won't end better if you have a few less bhp in the motor and a few less db at the end can. So yeah just do it.

It'll probably still be easier to ride than an early 2000's 600cc super sport that has no electronics/abs/safety shite and people happily had them as 1st big bikes.
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 20 Apr 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also run some insurance quote with those mods declared. Prob going to be fairly hefty sum for first big bike.
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