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PostPosted: 09:57 - 07 May 2021    Post subject: Is Labour finished? Reply with quote

With the results starting to come in from the council elections and Hartlepool going Tory it doesn't look good for Labour. Already the knives are out for Starmer with the ugly one calling for a return to far left policies that were so successful under Corbyn Rolling Eyes

What can Labour do to win back voters because as happy as I am to see them get a good kicking a government with no valid opposition is heading towards totalitarianism.

Can a new party rise as Libdems don't ever really get anywhere and Greens are too much a one trick pony for a lot of people.
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PostPosted: 10:33 - 07 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

While they're classifying all whites as inherently racist and denying our history they haven't a hope of getting back in power.

Go woke, go broke.
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PostPosted: 10:51 - 07 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Sir Keir" is more of the same. Comes across as a Tory in red clothing. Feels like he'd be more at home rubbing shoulders with JRMogg than drinking a pint at the local.

Labour don't appear to offer anything different. Perhaps in policy on paper, but not in the people you see on the ballot sheet (or more importantly, on the telly).

Tories have supposedly "ended austerity" which people are happy about.

Home ownership continues to rise.

People are mostly in favour of how the pandemic has been handled, and particularly the vaccine roll out.

Labour are still the best chance of a proper opposition, but they need a complete shake up. I'd hoped Keir might be the man for the job but where Corbyn was "Idealistic old hippy" Sir Keir, perhaps unfairly, comes across as "Out of touch rich guy" - they need a leader who people feel they can related with.

Keir needs to drop the "Sir", be seen in a pair of jeans and t shirt, do more community engagement, and work on the party image. They need policies that really resonate with the average voter, and they need to do more to get themselves seen as a valid and most importantly "different" alternative to the Tories, else people think "better the devil you know" and tick the Tory box again.
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 07 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw Jonathan Pie's typical anti-Tory rant yesterday and I just knew the LuLz would be there for me today Laughing

If you've not seen Sky News absolutely savaging the Labour dude from Hartlepool then it's so, soooo worth a watch Laughing

https://twitter.com/addicted2newz/status/1390486757460807681?s=20


And he's right. Labour continue to miss the point - by representing middle class luvvieduv supposed liberals and clamouring after minority lost causes rather than supporting the working classes that should be the core of their voting base.

Already today we've seen more of the same old same old - the working class people that vote Tory are stupid, turkeys voting for Christmas, they don't even deserve the vote, we're better than them.

Imagine being a working class voter and voting for a party that you know full well despises you, and to which you add absolutely no political advantage....... Oh apart from your vote, which they'll never get, because they don't GAF about you and your kind.

The only bad thing about all of this is the complete lack of a centrist, reliable, credible opposition party meaning the Tories can be as crap as they like and just get away with it.
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PostPosted: 11:04 - 07 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
People are mostly in favour of how the pandemic has been handled, and particularly the vaccine roll out.

I think it all shows how incredibly fucking stupid voters are, and what short memories they have.

With the possible exception of the furlough scheme, I don't think many people would consider the Tories' handling of the pandemic during the whole of 2020 as anything other than calamitous. Yet, at the moment, most would agree that they are doing a bang-up job with the vaccination campaign. So, whoopee, let's vote Tory.
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 07 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two things here: the definition of "working class" has changed quite a bit in the UK. It used to be people like "factory worker" or "train driver" but in a post-industrial society we're now talking "self-employed plumber." Labour had a good grasp on heavily unionised sections of the population but while they've recognised a shift they seemed to have wandered off chasing the wrong votes.

Yes, the metro-vote is sizeable (AFAIK Labour still dominate in the towns and cities) but the UK still hasn't got to the tipping point where those people outnumber the rest of the country unlike seemingly the situation in the US.
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PostPosted: 11:18 - 07 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

They field shit candidates. Generally most these days are shit and never had a real job but our local Labour one was particularly shit, Gay (in a ram it down your throat way), loud, snowflake, barely old enough to shave, tenuous links to local area. In comparison the Tory incumbent has lived life and can hold his own talking policy.

I voted Labour because I'd rather castrate myself with a blowtorch than vote Tory but to be honest the Tory candidate was vastly better.

PCC's were the best check out this twat https://www.change.org/p/association-of-police-and-crime-commissioners-vote-of-no-confidence-in-jonathon-seed

*edit* - That criminal PCC candidate is Tory btw so almost certain to win.


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PostPosted: 11:20 - 07 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Labour seems to be standing solely on the anti-Tory ticket. Opposing (or abstaining) anything and everything is easy but the electorate need to know what Labour would do if the Tories weren’t making the decisions. Either they have no sound ideas or they can’t reveal their far-left convictions.

In these extraordinarily times the Tories must be astounded by their luck, but the country needs a viable opposition.

I can’t think of an obvious leadership candidate among the furiously “caring” but intellectually lightweight Labour MPs.
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PostPosted: 11:35 - 07 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hartlepool result brings Labour's long-running infighting back into the open

Analysis by Tom Rayner, digital politics editor

Criticism of Sir Keir Starmer is coming through loud and clear from the left of the Labour Party this morning.

Richard Burgon and Diane Abbott, two former shadow cabinet ministers during Jeremy Corbyn's tenure, have both called on him to urgently change strategy towards a more radical left-wing agenda.

The pro-Corbyn Momentum group have also issued a damning statement, claiming "a transformative socialist message has won in Hartlepool before, and it would have won again".



Oh the lulz - oh the delicious lulz LaughingLaughing

Yeah, radical leftist policies did a bang up job in the last GE didn't they.
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 07 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Labour has joined the Lib Dems as a party of irrelevance as far as I'm concerned. This is tragic, because it means there is currently no effective opposition to the Tories. I have my eye on ReformUK, under Richard Tice. I'd like to hear more from them, as what I've heard thus far sounds promising to me, but they just don't get the exposure for people to know enough about them, and MSM isn't going to help. That's maybe the most important thing now - to get a balanced media without agenda of its own, but how you do that from where we are now is beyond me. Perhaps Andrew Neil's new channel will be the start of that when it kicks off.

I think the people of this country don't like "woke". At some point, as long as we remain a democracy, that's going to come through.
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PostPosted: 12:33 - 07 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Starmer needs to keep the fight going, he can't quit now or change what direction he's steering the party in. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 07 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Starmer needs to keep the fight going, he can't quit now or change what direction he's steering the party in. Thumbs Up


What direction is that then?
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 07 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:

What direction is that then?


Unknown, their entire front bench can't read a map.
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 07 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basically, Labour continuing in the direction they are going = Brick Wall, as the Hartlepool result illustrates.
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 07 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
The only bad thing about all of this is the complete lack of a centrist, reliable, credible opposition party meaning the Tories can be as crap as they like and just get away with it.

What about the NDL?

Soon we'll know how well he did in the London Mayor election and his manifesto for that was quite good.

Boris Johnson will be forced to shush.
Introduce Stop and Serve, which will include free school meals.
Employ more policemen and put them straight into the houses of parliament as that's where all the real criminals are.
Any McDonalds with a broken Mcflurry machine will be shut down and turned into low rent housing
All racists will have their teeth removed.
If an elderly person or pregnant woman isn't offered a seat within a minute of getting on the London Underground, they get to drive the train
Free transport for under 18s and over 69s (Uni Students Included).
The EDL will be deported to Poland and taken off our streets, so they can learn what it's like to be an immigrant.
Citizens in Poland will be given legal access to guns.
A second eye will be added to the London Eye, so it becomes the London Eyes.
Big Ben will be renamed Big Ben Clock, so it qualifies as a BBC.
3/4 Length trousers to be banned, death penalty for anyone who wears them.
Freeze the River Thames and allow people to ice skate cross while Hammersmith Bridge is being repaired.
Prince Andrew will be banned from going within a 4 mile radius of any school.
VAR will be banned from the Premier League along with the Glazers.
Raise minimum wage by 6.9%.
Turn off all power in London once a year, and call it Londoff.
Anyone who clapped for the NHS but still voted Conservative will be forced to participate in an annual purge.
Immediately Liquidate The Sun Newspaper and use all proceeds to fund youth clubs and community centres.
Eid, Christmas, Diwali, Yom Kippur, Vaisakhi to be holidays to celebrate the culture of our great city.
Price of the Fredo to go back down to 5p.

Some of his videos are on this page... https://metro.co.uk/2021/04/30/who-is-niko-omilana-youtuber-running-as-london-mayor-candidate-14501078/
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 07 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Labour can't seem to reconcile two completely different voter groups. The woke inner cities and universities and the working class who actually work. Probably because they are actually incompatible.

Labour has a downer on patriotism and British history. While that sits well with the University crew and BLM the majority of white working class are patriotic and don't like their country slagged off or being called racist.

As has been said many times they seem to be fixated on minority groups. Now that is fine and I've nothing against that but they seem to be fixated to the detriment of what is the more important things to the majority, living.

I'm also not sure how long the University woke vote holds up. How long before the real world of mortgages, work, rents etc. bites and they decide the Labour way holds them back.

Maybe Labour should kick out momentum and tell them to found their own party or join the Communist party of Britain. Then they could distance themselves from woke and be more acceptable to a middle of the road electorate.

That is never going to happen though.
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 07 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really what would fix the system is Labour shifting left, and lib-dems being less useless as a centre-centre/left party. Two party politics does not cut it in this country and Labour cannot possibly be hard left and centre left at the same time.

There is no reason Labour and Lib-dem could not come together in coalition and I suspect better represent the general sentiment of the population than the current government.

Tories are doing well because they properly represent a collective group of people. I might not necessarily agree with what they stand for, but at least I know what they stand for.
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 07 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

They need to elect Jess Phillips leader, and make more of their nazi momentum links for maximum effect Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:50 - 07 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
Really what would fix the system is Labour shifting left


Which part? If a certain part shifts any further left, they'll fall off the edge Laughing
Brexit showed the rejection of the other part, and is constantly proved the correct decision by those crazy EUropeans. And Macron, but he's French, so that's to be expected Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 07 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhrMU7teoKM

Darren Grimes nails it.
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 07 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

To win power Labour must redouble it's efforts to brand all those who don't vote for Labour as stupid and racist until they learn to vote the woke way.
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PostPosted: 23:50 - 07 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Johnnythefox wrote:
To win power Labour must redouble it's efforts to brand all those who don't vote for Labour as stupid and racist until they learn to vote the woke way.


AFAIK there are people in the party saying they lost because they weren't* Left enough Shocked Seriously, they should double-down and go that way... the way of the Literal Undemocrats Laughing

To have any hope of "democracy" in the UK I would suggest:

The Green Party become the "new" Left
The Tories hold their hands up as tepid Centrists
The Whigs are reformed from the "old" Right of UKIP/Reclaim/EDL/etc.

*Edit: whoops!
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PostPosted: 01:09 - 08 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Labour can't seem to reconcile two completely different voter groups. The woke inner cities and universities and the working class who actually work. Probably because they are actually incompatible.

Labour has a downer on patriotism and British history. While that sits well with the University crew and BLM the majority of white working class are patriotic and don't like their country slagged off or being called racist.

As has been said many times they seem to be fixated on minority groups. Now that is fine and I've nothing against that but they seem to be fixated to the detriment of what is the more important things to the majority, living.

I'm also not sure how long the University woke vote holds up. How long before the real world of mortgages, work, rents etc. bites and they decide the Labour way holds them back.

Maybe Labour should kick out momentum and tell them to found their own party or join the Communist party of Britain. Then they could distance themselves from woke and be more acceptable to a middle of the road electorate.

That is never going to happen though.


Basically this. Labour has been hijacked by woke social justice warriors on Twitter.

In a way elections are rigged towards the Conservatives because women especially want a stable environment for their kids, safe environment for their home and assets etc. Even the woke middle aged types tend to put those home and kids thing above their woke views. The Conservatives are by definition the choice for protecting those things.
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PostPosted: 02:59 - 08 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
be more acceptable to a middle of the road electorate.

That is never going to happen though.

Until someone comes along and makes Newest Labour.

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article10329516.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/PROD-WA604245.jpg

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PostPosted: 09:47 - 08 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

She's almost as frightening as Diane.
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