Is Labour finished?

[Polarbear]

I presume somewhere in their conference they actually discussed policies and direction rather than school debating room topics. You know the sort of thing - how we pay for the NHS and what we plan to do for defence instead of all this holier than thou 'I have rights' crap.

Another way of looking at how screwed up Labour are is that half way through a term of parliament as opposition, after 11 years of tory rule, a mishandled pandemic, a somewhat botched Brexit and having announced tax rises to pay for everything the (pretty useless themselves) Conservative party have still got a 5% lead in the opinion polls.

It really beggars belief how bad it is.
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[Kawasaki Jimbo]

[Ribenapigeon]

[Ribenapigeon]

[chickenstrip]

At this point, I don't want either the Tories or Labour anywhere near holding government office. What a shit show British politics has become
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[Andy Perrett]

[chickenstrip]

[Ribenapigeon]

With what looks like a rise in what could be called Middle class poverty i think there could be a renewal of prospects for Labour, it just depends on whether the leadership can see the opportunity in front of them.

[chickenstrip]

I think that Labour's soul is still being fought for. Too many factions that can't gel together.
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[Andy Perrett]

[chickenstrip]

I'm wondering about Reform too. Don't know enough about their policies and ideas yet, but I like what I've heard from Richard Tice so far. Just a little concerned they're too business focussed...?
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[Ribenapigeon]

[Ribenapigeon]

[Andy Perrett]

[Andy Perrett]

[doggone]

[Ribenapigeon]

[Easy-X]

There are two types of poverty: the classic "starving kids in Africa" type the world has known forever and then 1st World, Western poverty in which money is only a vague consideration.

"Not a pot to piss" and "been on the dole since leaving school" etc. all the tropes. Even so, big screen TV, Sky + Netflix, mobile phones, XBox, etc. Major health concern - obesity

An impoverishment of spirit.
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[Ribenapigeon]

[arry]

[Andy Perrett]

[Nobby the Bastard]

[Andy Perrett]

[Nobby the Bastard]

[Ste]

Hardly any were furloughed. Apart from the ones who were.

"Since the beginning of the coronavirus pandemic, 22 public bodies have furloughed 8,437 employees and received at least £54,815,840 in job retention scheme disbursements up to January 2021.

Historic Royal Palaces has received the most job retention scheme disbursements, totalling £12,890,185 for 839 furloughed staff. This sum corresponds to 34 per cent of Historic Royal Palaces wages and salaries bill in 2019-20.

The organisation with the largest average furlough payment was Historic Royal Palaces with each employee receiving £15,364. This is more than double the average payment received by staff across all public bodies which provided figures.

The Tate furloughed the greatest number of staff over this period with 1,056 employees, receiving £4,076,331 in job retention scheme disbursements. This is equivalent to 10 per cent of the Tate’s wages and salaries bill in 2019-20.

Channel 4 received £1,500,000 in furlough cash for 182 members of staff, but this money was subsequently repaid.

The British Council received £1,236,438 in furlough payments. These were paid to 234 employees which is approximately two per cent of the British Council’s total employees in 2019-20.

Forestry England furloughed 417 staff over the period claiming £736,286 in job retention scheme disbursements. This is equivalent to 2.6 per cent of their wages and salaries costs in 2019-20.

The National Army Museum furloughed the least members of staff and received the smallest amount of furlough cash with 13 and £30,589 respectively."

https://www.taxpayersalliance.com/public_sector_furlough

(Their claims and numbers might be entirely fictional. )