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PostPosted: 13:40 - 10 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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(Their claims and numbers might be entirely fictional. Laughing)


The entire world is fiction at the moment. I refuse to believe it can be reality when it's this stupid. The book and movie will never sell Folded arms
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 10 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

8000 is fuck all. Wetherspoons would have furloughed most of their 43,000 employees. Just Dwp have about 85,000 empoyees.
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PostPosted: 17:34 - 10 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

In real terms it's 0.15% of the total number of public sector employees.
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 10 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is exactly the game the Tories are playing now as well though. They've shifted further left of Blair's Labour by buying votes. Now they're there, they're trying to keep the votes with ridiculous and unachievable green claims.



That isn't a Labour tactic at all, Labours eternal problem is what they offer by the very nature of being progressive costs. Vote buting is the traditional tactic of the Conservative party. It's alway been a mystery how a party gets into power that represents the interests of the very rich, a tiny minority. It's always been done by buying votes, just like their pals in the city they buy when the market is cheap then sell out later and profit. We all know that somewhere down the road those new blue voters the Tories bought with Brexit will be sold down the river.
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 10 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
Cable Tie wrote:


This is exactly the game the Tories are playing now as well though. They've shifted further left of Blair's Labour by buying votes. Now they're there, they're trying to keep the votes with ridiculous and unachievable green claims.



That isn't a Labour tactic at all, Labours eternal problem is what they offer by the very nature of being progressive costs. Vote buting is the traditional tactic of the Conservative party. It's alway been a mystery how a party gets into power that represents the interests of the very rich, a tiny minority. It's always been done by buying votes, just like their pals in the city they buy when the market is cheap then sell out later and profit. We all know that somewhere down the road those new blue voters the Tories bought with Brexit will be sold down the river.

Laughing You mean what Labour offers is uncosted. Thumbs Up

I’m also reminded of the audience member on Question Time who berated the Labour Party for going after his money, not realising that at £80k he was a member of the very rich. They never explain how they’re going to tax the minority super-rich without changing the law or driving them and their money out of the country. “Ordinary people” would have to pay, not the super rich, not even the very rich.

The UK’s two-party pendulum politics works because it keeps us somewhere in the middle on average, and avoids an ineffective coalition. I used to think the Libs deserved a shot and would bring the best of both worlds but in fact when they offer ‘the middle ground’ no one knows what that actually means. Clegg’s weak contribution to the Con-Lib coalition didn’t help. Labour’s current weak opposition is keeping the pendulum to one side as well, which ought to be unfortunate, although I’m not unhappy with what the Tories are doing at the moment. It’ll go bad without restraint though.
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 10 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
It’ll go bad without restraint though.


Well that's the whole point of neo-liberalism. It wont be bad for the few that the Tories work for though.
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 13 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

We don't half have some scumbags as politicians nowadays. (In all parties). Labour seem to have problems picking decent black politicians as well.

Claudia Webbe: MP guilty of threatening and harassing woman

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-58900981
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 14 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Fiver says she keeps her job.

Any takers?

She has no morals, neither do the Hard Labour backing her today like Corbyn. Colour and sex out Trumps any wrong doing.


being black and female makes her just about immune from responsibility for her actions.
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 21 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

It’s not the job of the opposition to…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyQ8RCVwt4Y

Wait and see how it pans out, then say you’d have taken the action which would have been correct.

Also not impressed by the old, “Let me answer that directly…” sentence starter.
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 21 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
It’s not the job of the opposition to…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyQ8RCVwt4Y

Wait and see how it pans out, then say you’d have taken the action which would have been correct.

Also not impressed by the old, “Let me answer that directly…” sentence starter.


Almost every interview with a politician goes the same way.
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PostPosted: 12:45 - 21 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

How should we judge Labour’s suitability to lead the country? If it’s just going to be manifesto “commitments” well heck, vote for me, I’ll promise anything you want to hear too.
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PostPosted: 12:52 - 21 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
How should we judge Labour’s suitability to lead the country? If it’s just going to be manifesto “commitments” well heck, vote for me, I’ll promise anything you want to hear too.


Weren't manifest commitments the lever Boris and co used to get into power? If I recall, there was a pretty large one on the side of a bus that turned out to be a bare-faced lie, but the electorate still bought it because it wanted a cuddly fool rather than a crusty socialist.
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 21 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

True, but you could say the electorate put the same party back into power based upon track record. The current Labour Party has no recent, viable track record even of opposition, it’s all just sneering.
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 21 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...but the electorate still bought it because it wanted a cuddly fool rather than a crusty socialist Jew-hating Communist.


FTFY Wink

And the Remoaners never lied no not eva! Honest, gov Smile
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PostPosted: 14:49 - 21 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tis' true that Labour doesn't have a track record of recent Government. Tis' also true that the Conservatives do, and we are being lied to and laughed at daily by the Bullingdon Club as they line their own pockets at the expense of ordinary taxpayers.

I fear we suffer from a bad case of 'better the devil you know', which has to be cue for a song...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMeqejQbMVo
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 21 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:


I fear we suffer from a bad case of 'better the devil you know'.


Nah. More a case of you have been down there, you know that road, you know exactly where it ends. And I know that's not where you want to be.
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 21 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
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I fear we suffer from a bad case of 'better the devil you know'.


Nah. More a case of you have been down there, you know that road, you know exactly where it ends. And I know that's not where you want to be.


Oh you mean up the blue brick road? But would it be neo liberal conservatism in a red jacket again or will Labour actually be a left wing party like it should have been in the first place.
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 21 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And the Remoaners never lied no not eva! Honest, gov Smile


In politics parties lie to the people then the people lie to themselves. Its a system of governance in of itself.
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 21 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And the Remoaners never lied no not eva! Honest, gov Smile


In politics parties lie to the people then the people lie to themselves. Its a system of governance in of itself.
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 19 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ffs https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/tory-conservative-mp-christian-wakeford-defects-labour-partygate-scandal-b977546.html

I really think the Labour party hates me.
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 19 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well it's curtains for that MP. He won't retain his seat as Labour. If he wants to contest it then he will have to be selected against the existing Labour candidate and get the current Labour membership to back him instead. Bear in mind he is a "f***ing Tory", and they are the local bash the Tory hardliners. He's got about as much chance as Nigel Farage of being selected as the Labour candidate. What a fool Laughing

And obviously he can't stand for the Tories because he jumped ship and they'll give the spot to No2 on the list.
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 19 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

From his wikipedia entry he looks more Tory than Margret Thatcher Rolling Eyes

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It was reported in The Times on 5 November 2021 that Wakeford approached Owen Paterson and called him "a cunt", after the Government, under the instruction of prime minister Boris Johnson, instructed its MPs to vote to change rules on the way MPs' conduct is policed.

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PostPosted: 14:46 - 19 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well it's curtains for that MP. He won't retain his seat as Labour. If he wants to contest it then he will have to be selected against the existing Labour candidate and get the current Labour membership to back him instead. Bear in mind he is a "f***ing Tory", and they are the local bash the Tory hardliners. He's got about as much chance as Nigel Farage of being selected as the Labour candidate. What a fool Laughing

And obviously he can't stand for the Tories because he jumped ship and they'll give the spot to No2 on the list.


We live in an age which seems to give advantage to such "fools" Sad
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 19 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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From his wikipedia entry he looks more Tory than Margret Thatcher Rolling Eyes




I looked up his Wiki entry and thought he looked like the perfect contemporary political creature. Maybe these f#ck@rs are actually robots from china running some AI program.
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