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MCN
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 10 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Ah, but I see you have given away Scotland's plan for affording independence: sell stuff that doesn't belong to you Laughing
Perhaps you could just sell stuff once we have worked out how much you were actually subsidised, and taking that figure off first of course. You might have enough for a can of Irn Bru each Smile


Hawd oan you a minute Jimmy.

Scotland has not billed the UK for housing it's thermonuclear deterrent.

I think the U.K. should be working on a way to foot the cost for that.

U.K. contractors were all paid to build Clyde Base.

U.K. has benefited from the 100% protection of its own nuclear weapons system with the comfort of having it parked on someone else's door step.
So if somebody wants to get their slide ruler out and do the maths for it that would be great.

The issue that is often raised but not very well appreciated by all is that in any event of a nuclear strike the Scottish Problem would be evaporated.

They put a missile base a few miles (1 hour drive) from Scotland's highest population centre.

There is more stuff we could go on about if we wanted to compile a dossier.

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PostPosted: 16:45 - 10 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
MCN wrote:
chickenstrip wrote:
Ah, but I see you have given away Scotland's plan for affording independence: sell stuff that doesn't belong to you Laughing
Perhaps you could just sell stuff once we have worked out how much you were actually subsidised, and taking that figure off first of course. You might have enough for a can of Irn Bru each Smile


Hawd oan you a minute Jimmy.

Scotland has not billed the UK for housing it's thermonuclear deterrent.

I think the U.K. should be working on a way to foot the cost for that.

U.K. contractors were all paid to build Clyde Base.

U.K. has benefited from the 100% protection of its own nuclear weapons system with the comfort of having it parked on someone else's door step.
So if somebody wants to get their slide ruler out and do the maths for it that would be great.

The issue that is often raised but not very well appreciated by all is that in any event of a nuclear strike the Scottish Problem would be evaporated.

They put a missile base a few miles (1 hour drive) from Scotland's highest population centre.

There is more stuff we could go on about if we wanted to compile a dossier.

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Yes and I live 45 minutes* from Abbey Wood where all the procurement for MOD is done. Which is a bigger target?

*35 minutes if I'm feeling brave.
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 10 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
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The issue that is often raised but not very well appreciated by all is that in any event of a nuclear strike the Scottish Problem would be evaporated.


Now we're talking! Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:02 - 10 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
chickenstrip wrote:
MCN wrote:

The issue that is often raised but not very well appreciated by all is that in any event of a nuclear strike the Scottish Problem would be evaporated.


Now we're talking! Laughing

In the event of a nuclear strike wouldn’t those at the epi-centre be the lucky ones?
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PostPosted: 18:12 - 10 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
Jimbo. Mate. Piece of advice. Try not to take everything everyone posts in absolute seriousness Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 10 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Jimbo. Mate. Piece of advice. Try not to take everything everyone posts in absolute seriousness Laughing

I should have added an emoticon.
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 10 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
chickenstrip wrote:
MCN wrote:

The issue that is often raised but not very well appreciated by all is that in any event of a nuclear strike the Scottish Problem would be evaporated.


Now we're talking! Laughing


That comment is a flame (Flash).
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PostPosted: 19:21 - 10 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
We need a Labour supporters view on this. Lord Percy and Ribenapigeon haven't commented.

It seems the Labour hierarchy are saying - move left - even after the Corbyn debacle. Or do they think now Corbyn has gone and they have Uncle Kier (patriot and Union flag waver) in the hot seat it will allow them to move forward with their very left policies?

Are people that gullible? Probably.
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 10 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
Polarbear wrote:
We need a Labour supporters view on this. Lord Percy and Ribenapigeon haven't commented.

It seems the Labour hierarchy are saying - move left - even after the Corbyn debacle. Or do they think now Corbyn has gone and they have Uncle Kier (patriot and Union flag waver) in the hot seat it will allow them to move forward with their very left policies?

Are people that gullible? Probably.

Diane Abbott said Corbyn’s policies, whilst being rejected in the election, polled well. Shocked Individually perhaps, but altogether they looked unrealistic and uncosted. She also said it was Starmer who doesn’t have a winning strategy.

Labour are cock-a-hoop over some mayoral elections (meh!), and Andy Burnham may be assembling a Northern Army to march on Westminster. They're kidding themselves and have no near-future prospects as things stand. Its a shame because we need a valid opposition beyond the MSM who have taken on that role.
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 10 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
MCN wrote:
chickenstrip wrote:
Ah, but I see you have given away Scotland's plan for affording independence: sell stuff that doesn't belong to you Laughing
Perhaps you could just sell stuff once we have worked out how much you were actually subsidised, and taking that figure off first of course. You might have enough for a can of Irn Bru each Smile


Hawd oan you a minute Jimmy.

Scotland has not billed the UK for housing it's thermonuclear deterrent.

I think the U.K. should be working on a way to foot the cost for that.

U.K. contractors were all paid to build Clyde Base.

U.K. has benefited from the 100% protection of its own nuclear weapons system with the comfort of having it parked on someone else's door step.
So if somebody wants to get their slide ruler out and do the maths for it that would be great.

The issue that is often raised but not very well appreciated by all is that in any event of a nuclear strike the Scottish Problem would be evaporated.

They put a missile base a few miles (1 hour drive) from Scotland's highest population centre.

There is more stuff we could go on about if we wanted to compile a dossier.

Very Happy


Maybe it's time for rUK to honour the SNP principle on defence!

1. Close HMNB Clyde / RNAD Couldport, move to Plymouth (7000 jobs)
2. Move shipbuilding contracts to England, hand over Scottish yards to the Scottish government to fund and find work for (7000 jobs)
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PostPosted: 20:14 - 10 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
Im-a-Ridah wrote:


Maybe it's time for rUK to honour the SNP principle on defence!

1. Close HMNB Clyde / RNAD Couldport, move to Plymouth (7000 jobs)
2. Move shipbuilding contracts to England, hand over Scottish yards to the Scottish government to fund and find work for (7000 jobs)


You misunderstood the gist of my argument.

The sub base is in Scotland.
Possession is 9/10s of the law (or something Scotch.)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possession_is_nine-tenths_of_the_law#:~:text=Possession%20is%20nine-tenths%20of%20the%20law%20is%20an%20expression,enforce%20if%20one%20does%20not.&text=The%20rightful%20owner%20shall%20have,them%3B%20if%20taken%20or%20used.
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 10 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sir Kier was brought in to be more credible than Corbyn.

He's a credible leader right up until the small detail that he's a remainer. Laughing

So with that in mind, he's no longer relevant and no one wants him anymore. His replacement is the person who might get them to win a general election.

The presence of Diana Abbott makes it near on impossible for anyone to lead them to 10 Downing Street.

Keir is the right person to be in charge until the time is right for Newest Labour to be launched and that's not going to happen whilst Abbott and co continue making a mess.

For example... "They still don’t get it! Diane Abbott says Keir Starmer must start campaigning to bring back EU free movement rules as part of a 'winning strategy' after string of losses in Brexit-backing former heartlands"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9561493/They-dont-Diane-Abbott-says-Keir-Starmer-campaigning-bring-free-movement.html

She has to go and there is no alternative. Momentum will probably have to go as well.

Andy Burnham will be the next leader of the Labour Party.
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 10 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ste wrote:
Sir Kier was brought in to be more credible than Corbyn.

Andy Burnham will be the next leader of the Labour Party.

It’s hard to know whether Burnham is a Corbynite because he was careful not to commit, and he appears to have made a success of being a professional Northerner and mayor (mainly an enactor of government policy), but that shouldn't make him PM material. Admittedly it’s hard to see better candidates among the Labour top tier, but that’s just a sad indictment and the reason they’ll remain in the wilderness.
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 11 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
If I were in the leadership of the Green Party I'd be pulling out every trick in the book to hijack Labour and Lib MPs: "Guys, you've hit so many political icebergs it's not even funny. Why not jump ship onto this here hemp-woven raft..."
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 11 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
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If I were in the leadership of the Green Party I'd be pulling out every trick in the book to hijack Labour and Lib MPs: "Guys, you've hit so many political icebergs it's not even funny. Why not jump ship onto this here hemp-woven raft..."


Soon there won't be many Icebergs left to hit according to the Greens. How about political reefs. Thinking No, they are dying as well.

We're doomed, doomed I tell you.
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PostPosted: 16:52 - 11 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ste wrote:
Sir Kier was brought in to be more credible than Corbyn.

He's a credible leader right up until the small detail that he's a remainer. Laughing

So with that in mind, he's no longer relevant and no one wants him anymore. His replacement is the person who might get them to win a general election.

The presence of Diana Abbott makes it near on impossible for anyone to lead them to 10 Downing Street.

Keir is the right person to be in charge until the time is right for Newest Labour to be launched and that's not going to happen whilst Abbott and co continue making a mess.

For example... "They still don’t get it! Diane Abbott says Keir Starmer must start campaigning to bring back EU free movement rules as part of a 'winning strategy' after string of losses in Brexit-backing former heartlands"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9561493/They-dont-Diane-Abbott-says-Keir-Starmer-campaigning-bring-free-movement.html

She has to go and there is no alternative. Momentum will probably have to go as well.

Andy Burnham will be the next leader of the Labour Party.


I don't see newest Labour happening, history doesn't always repeat itself like that. New Labour was unique in that they had a big boom due to houses from the Thatcher and the dot com bubble so all those generation X types felt happy and fairly wealthy. We can project forward in time but millennialls and gen Z are unlikely to have those events happen for them, actually it will be the complete opposite with high levels of student debt, a huge national debt left over by Gen X/Boomers, unaffordable house prices, western economic problems and poor growth, self inflicted greeny damage...
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PostPosted: 17:25 - 11 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaC7DAN52qc


Not that funny, but a good satirical look at the issues.
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PostPosted: 11:48 - 13 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
A reminder of why Labour fought and lost the Hartlepool By-Election:

Labour MP quits front bench over interfering in sexual harassment case

Like a broken lift: wrong on so many levels Sad
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 13 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
Easy-X wrote:
A reminder of why Labour fought and lost the Hartlepool By-Election:

Labour MP quits front bench over interfering in sexual harassment case

Like a broken lift: wrong on so many levels Sad


I wonder how clear cut it is the woman in question apparently got a £40k payout from a previous employer. Screwing and sueing to the top? With the tories in power that would be a logical upgrade over a labour bloke who barely won a majority for his seat.

Guardian writes it up better https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/12/corbyn-aide-kate-hollern-isolate-staffer-accusing-ex-hartlepool-mp-mike-hill-sexual-harassment

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On Tuesday, the tribunal was told that Hill wrote to Ms A saying he craved her body, and climbed uninvited into her bed on two occasions. She alleged he rubbed his erect penis against her buttocks and fondled her breasts, despite promises not to pursue her. She also claimed he harassed her in parliament.


So why exactly was he in a position to enter her bedroom and rub his boner on her?????? Slumber party?
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I don't really trust any of these people that go after celebrities, politicians and the like to be totally honest about the circumstance of any so called sexual harassment or abuse.

The trouble nowadays is once someone gets their claws in someone it's almost impossible to get out of anything unscathed. As far as the public is concerned if a celebrity pays someone off it's a tacit admittance of guilt like Michael Jackson endured. It also works both ways in that the serious claimants have to go through the 'gold digger' accusations as well.

How many women screwed Weinstein in the hope of getting a break or were they all victims? It's not unheard of to screw your way to the top is it Diane?
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There's a lot of it about but now with the Tory MP saying he was "warned off" helping her out. The optics aren't great.

I would imagine you'd need special footwear to work in Westminster or you'll slip on the slime Sad
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PostPosted: 19:27 - 13 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
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It's not unheard of to screw your way to the top is it Diane?

In even the stinkiest most repulsive sewer, something will always rise to the top.

Any normal person would be retching after just the slightness whiff of the smell that's seeping out of the sewer but Diane took the opportunity to get to the top by any means possible and now she sits proudly aloft the mountain of shit.

Sick
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I don't really trust any of these people that go after celebrities, politicians and the like to be totally honest about the circumstance of any so called sexual harassment or abuse.

The trouble nowadays is once someone gets their claws in someone it's almost impossible to get out of anything unscathed. As far as the public is concerned if a celebrity pays someone off it's a tacit admittance of guilt like Michael Jackson endured. It also works both ways in that the serious claimants have to go through the 'gold digger' accusations as well.

How many women screwed Weinstein in the hope of getting a break or were they all victims? It's not unheard of to screw your way to the top is it Diane?


We all know some folk fuk their way up the ladder but that doesn't mean that some people exploit that by their position.

It's a low bar.
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In another episode of "up is down, black is white" I recall the Tories previously holding the title of "The Nasty Party"

Howard Beckett: Labour suspends union official after Patel tweet

Maybe someone on the Left misheard and thought they said "Nazi Party" Wink
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See this is (I think) part of their fucking mess. The bloke expressed an opinion, in a non-pc non-pussy-faggot way and the instant reaction is to toss him to the wolves, whether the wolves are hungry or not.

Reversed I bet the Tories would have stood by his right to speak if not the words themselves and spun it in to a free speech victory.

Starmer and his ilk seem to be able to turn anything in to a foot shooting incident.

Who did he piss of anyway? Tories..... well that's kind of the point of being not a Tory!
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