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Nyilka
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PostPosted: 12:33 - 24 May 2021    Post subject: Honda CBR 125 wont accept any Batteries Reply with quote

Hi , i am having some problems with my bike.

I have a 2005 honda CBR 125 , it had a very crapy battery in it Last summer witch worked pretty good but in september after a charge it had swollen so i got a Varta battery from a friend and later i found out that the battery doenst hold any electricity . I got some spare money and i bought a Good battery From a friend who doesnt use his bike anymore . The battery was used a month , after sat for 2-3 weeks and got charged up. The Battery after instalation worked great after jumping it with another battery . Started very good. Went for a 4-5 hour ride , and after that i went home . yesterday I tried to start up My bike and Nothing Came up on the dash at all . After a push start on the dash only the speedo worked , and the rpm counter was jumping from 0 to 1.8k which is the idle , and after didnt show anything . So i went home And put the battery to charge and it swollen again so went to the store and bought another battery , After installation i tried to start the bike and yet again nothing happened . Tried To jump it with another battery but it just sparked hella bad. Any tips What Should i do?

I am trying to do it myself because where i live The mecanics Price Starts From 140£ for an oil change and only goes up for anything else.

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PostPosted: 12:51 - 24 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

So:

Battery 1 = DOA
Battery 2 = DOA
Battery 3 = only worked after a jump (so likely DOA).
Battery 4 = Did you charge it first?

Your problem isn't the bike, you just keep installing dead or uncharged batteries.
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 24 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

xX-Alex-Xx wrote:
So:

Battery 1 = DOA
Battery 2 = DOA
Battery 3 = only worked after a jump (so likely DOA).
Battery 4 = Did you charge it first?

Your problem isn't the bike, you just keep installing dead or uncharged batteries.


This.

Buy a new battery from Tayna.
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 24 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

xX-Alex-Xx wrote:
So:

Battery 1 = DOA
Battery 2 = DOA
Battery 3 = only worked after a jump (so likely DOA).
Battery 4 = Did you charge it first?

Your problem isn't the bike, you just keep installing dead or uncharged batteries.


The Last battery Was charged For a little only to see If it would work
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 24 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islander wrote:
xX-Alex-Xx wrote:
So:

Battery 1 = DOA
Battery 2 = DOA
Battery 3 = only worked after a jump (so likely DOA).
Battery 4 = Did you charge it first?

Your problem isn't the bike, you just keep installing dead or uncharged batteries.


This.

Buy a new battery from Tayna.


I think that will be the next move , But i want to get some checking to see if its not Anything with the bike , because in that case Its worthless to buy a new battery until i sort out the electrical problems
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 24 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nyilka wrote:
xX-Alex-Xx wrote:
So:

Battery 1 = DOA
Battery 2 = DOA
Battery 3 = only worked after a jump (so likely DOA).
Battery 4 = Did you charge it first?

Your problem isn't the bike, you just keep installing dead or uncharged batteries.


The Last battery Was charged For a little only to see If it would work


If you charge a battery for just a wee bit it can irreversibly interfere with the battery chemistry.
It's best to fully charge and to not interrupt the charging process if possible.

And Tayna will sell you a good battery for the bike.

If practical, buy and use a battery conditioner device when the beast is parked up for several days/weeks.

If you're on the street then that's a problem.
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PostPosted: 17:34 - 24 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

No stator testing, no diode testing, no connection checking
No use of a voltmeter
No wonder its fooked

owner inflicted wounds IMO
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 24 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
No stator testing, no diode testing, no connection checking
No use of a voltmeter
No wonder its fooked

owner inflicted wounds IMO


The battery before was tested and it showed 12.6 v besides that i cannot do Anything else because i dont want to f*ck it up
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PostPosted: 19:44 - 24 May 2021    Post subject: Re: Honda CBR 125 wont accept any Batteries Reply with quote

Nyilka wrote:
after a charge it had swollen,

You said this happened again with another battery later. Is your charger over-charging?

Nyilka wrote:
Tried To jump it with another battery but it just sparked hella bad.

Had you reversed the polarity by mistake? Should be positive to positive, negative to negative.
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PostPosted: 08:22 - 25 May 2021    Post subject: Re: Honda CBR 125 wont accept any Batteries Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Nyilka wrote:
after a charge it had swollen,

You said this happened again with another battery later. Is your charger over-charging?

Nyilka wrote:
Tried To jump it with another battery but it just sparked hella bad.

Had you reversed the polarity by mistake? Should be positive to positive, negative to negative.


So With the charger i really think That The first battery didnt overcharged , only because it had swollen Just because It was 5 years old and came from the original owner of the bike who owned it 3 years ago , and it swollen after two hours of charge at 4 amps , The second one it overcharged , the charger was borrowed from a friend and it was switched to 15 amps

I checked the polarity before that and im pretty sure i didnt mess up the polarity , but from curiousity What could happen if i swithced it up? The Bike doesnt want to Turn anything even with a known good Battery , so what could be the problem?

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PostPosted: 08:27 - 25 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Checked all the fuses and relays? Did the battery(s) swell whist connected to the bike?
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PostPosted: 08:29 - 25 May 2021    Post subject: Re: Honda CBR 125 wont accept any Batteries Reply with quote

Nyilka wrote:

So With the charger i really think That The first battery didnt overcharged , only because it had swollen Just because It was 5 years old and came from the original owner of the bike who owned it 3 years ago , and it swollen after two hours of charge at 4 amps , The second one it overcharged , the charger was borrowed from a friend and it was switched to 15 amps

I checked the polarity before that and im pretty sure i didnt mess up the polarity , but from curiousity What could happen if i swithced it up? The Bike doesnt want to Turn anything even with a known good Battery , so what could be the problem?

Thanks


4 amps? There's your issue (or AN issue at least). Charge a battery at 10% of its rated value (ie a 8Ah battery should be charged at around 0.8 amps).
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 25 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
Checked all the fuses and relays? Did the battery(s) swell whist connected to the bike?


Neither Batteries Swell while it was in the bike
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 25 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
Checked all the fuses and relays? Did the battery(s) swell whist connected to the bike?


Neither Batteries Swell while it was in the bike
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PostPosted: 09:43 - 25 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
Checked all the fuses and relays? Did the battery(s) swell whist connected to the bike?


Fuses were okay , and the relys i'll check today , I have a suspition of the charging relay
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 25 May 2021    Post subject: Re: Honda CBR 125 wont accept any Batteries Reply with quote

xX-Alex-Xx wrote:
Nyilka wrote:

So With the charger i really think That The first battery didnt overcharged , only because it had swollen Just because It was 5 years old and came from the original owner of the bike who owned it 3 years ago , and it swollen after two hours of charge at 4 amps , The second one it overcharged , the charger was borrowed from a friend and it was switched to 15 amps

I checked the polarity before that and im pretty sure i didnt mess up the polarity , but from curiousity What could happen if i swithced it up? The Bike doesnt want to Turn anything even with a known good Battery , so what could be the problem?

Thanks



4 amps? There's your issue (or AN issue at least). Charge a battery at 10% of its rated value (ie a 8Ah battery should be charged at around 0.8 amps).


Okay i'll try that today , thanks
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PostPosted: 13:00 - 25 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

CBR125s use a 6Ah battery as standard, so I'm not surprised you broke them with a 4A charger. Smart battery chargers for bike batteries tend to top out at 0.8A, and can charge at a lower rate than that.

That said, I would still expect a new battery to have enough juice to start the bike without needing a jump start. There could well be more wrong here than the battery.

Personally I would get a smart charger on the battery you have. Green lights good, red lights bad. If you have green lights on the charger and the bike isn't starting, we need to know the symptoms - are the dash lights coming on, is it making a rapid clicking noise, is the engine turning over but just not catching?

If it will start, but the battery is flat the next day, it means you either have something drawing power (like an alarm) and/or the charging system isn't working.

Bike charging system are surprisingly bad in general. The sort of problems that might come up once 100k miles on a car may come up in 10k miles on a bike. Alarms and trackers are also a pain in the arse and easily flatten a battery in a fortnight or less.
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 25 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:
CBR125s use a 6Ah battery as standard, so I'm not surprised you broke them with a 4A charger. Smart battery chargers for bike batteries tend to top out at 0.8A, and can charge at a lower rate than that.

That said, I would still expect a new battery to have enough juice to start the bike without needing a jump start. There could well be more wrong here than the battery.

Personally I would get a smart charger on the battery you have. Green lights good, red lights bad. If you have green lights on the charger and the bike isn't starting, we need to know the symptoms - are the dash lights coming on, is it making a rapid clicking noise, is the engine turning over but just not catching?

If it will start, but the battery is flat the next day, it means you either have something drawing power (like an alarm) and/or the charging system isn't working.

Bike charging system are surprisingly bad in general. The sort of problems that might come up once 100k miles on a car may come up in 10k miles on a bike. Alarms and trackers are also a pain in the arse and easily flatten a battery in a fortnight or less.


That'll be a good idea To, i'll order one .

When i Turn the Key With this battery , Or the earlier one after it got drained overnight , Nothing comes up , Any lights neither my starter works . If i push the bike in , and go for a 1-2 hour bikeride My turn signals are very poor , my lights too , and after i turn it on needs pushing again.
I recently observed that if I pull my front brakes my Lights and turn signals are flickering a little bit but they are very bright after i let go of the lever it starts to flicker faster until it goes very poor again , i am asuming that It has to use more power . And my Rpm counter is jumping between 0 and the Rpm that i am in . Sometimes repedatly sometimes its like a Brake compression tester.
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 25 May 2021    Post subject: Re: Honda CBR 125 wont accept any Batteries Reply with quote

Battery 1 was good until it swelled up after charging in September.
Arrow Killed by charger.

Battery 2 from a friend, not clear if it was used and later didn’t hold a charge, or whether it was used to somehow check against Battery 1, and showed Battery 1 wouldn’t hold a charge.
OP seems to charge batteries before use (a good thing if the charger is good) so let’s assume that happened.
Arrow Battery killed by charger?

Battery 3 from a friend again, worked for 2-3 weeks until for some reason it was charged. After reinstalling it needed a jump start but wouldn’t start of its own accord next day. Put on charge and it swelled up.
Arrow Killed by first charge. Swelled in second charge just to make it obvious.

Battery 4 bought brand new but wouldn’t work after installing.
Was this one charged before use too?
Arrow Killed by charger.

Attempts to jump start produced hella bad sparks.
Arrow Polarity issues?

New charger, new battery. Or find a local bike shop which will prep a new battery for you.
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PostPosted: 14:34 - 26 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you had 'polarity' issues then there is a possibility the diode has been cooked in the charge system.

If you are uncertain, get it to a bike shop.

They 'should' fairly quickly find the fault and let you know.

Your looking at a bill for a couple of hours Labour.
Unless you can negotiate something....

But that might/should be less hassle and expense of fitting multiple batteries. Shocked
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