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PostPosted: 13:45 - 24 May 2021    Post subject: International Terrorist Alyaksandar Ryhoravich Lukashenk Reply with quote

This kahnt does not give an actual fahk.

He is one of the remnants of the Bresnev/Stalin/Leninist era.
(Komrad Vladmir Putin is the continuum.)

It is hard evidence that the Soviet regime and it belligerent philosophy is as dangerous today as it always has been.

Check out playback of flight FR4978 from Athens to Vilnius on Flightradar24. https://fr24.com/data/flights/fr4978#27cce9a2

Putin's thugs shot down a commercial airliner MH17 over Ukraine.

And denied responsibility.

Criminals in hiding.
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 24 May 2021    Post subject: Re: International Terrorist Alyaksandar Ryhoravich Lukashenk Reply with quote

MCN wrote:

Criminals in hiding.


Not exactly hiding though.
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 24 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's more of an issue. Shocked
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PostPosted: 17:13 - 24 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

AFAIK in diplomatic terms this is called "taking the fucking piss" Rolling Eyes

Anyone with any sense would skirt round Ukraine & Belarus but... RyanAir.
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 24 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
AFAIK in diplomatic terms this is called "taking the fucking piss" Rolling Eyes

Anyone with any sense would skirt round Ukraine & Belarus but... RyanAir.


They probably saw it as an opportunity to charge their passengers more.
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 24 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They probably saw it as an opportunity to charge their passengers more.


Hijacking surcharge.
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PostPosted: 19:21 - 24 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

They got to stay in two countries for the price of one, whats the issue?
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PostPosted: 19:54 - 24 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Passengers were likely to have been charged full price for refreshments on the Minsk-Vilnev leg as the discount for second drinks was cancelled.
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 24 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Minsk was probably closer to the Lithuanian capital than whatever provincial airport Ryanair had designated.

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PostPosted: 13:39 - 27 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont see the fuss we would/have done exactly the same. Julian Assange and Snowdon are perhaps the best examples.

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After the United States cancelled Snowden's passport, stranding him in Russia, they considered transporting him to Latin America on the presidential jet of a sympathetic Latin American leader. In order to throw the US off the scent, they spoke about the jet of the Bolivian president Evo Morales, instead of the jet they were considering.[failed verification] In July 2013, Morales' jet was forced to land in Austria after the US pressured Italy, France, and Spain to deny the jet access to their airspace over false rumours Snowden was on board.[242][243] Assange said the grounding "reveals the true nature of the relationship between Western Europe and the United States" as "a phone call from U.S. intelligence was enough to close the airspace to a booked presidential flight, which has immunity". Assange advised Snowden that he would be safest in Russia which was better able to protect its borders than Venezuela, Brazil or Ecuador.[244][245] In 2015, Maria Luisa Ramos, the Bolivian ambassador to Russia, accused Assange of putting Morales' life at risk.[246][244] Assange stated that he regretted what happened but that "[w]e can’t predict that other countries engage in some ... unprecedented criminal operation".[244][246]


If your a wanted criminal, justified or not, you dont go in the country your wanted by, and that includes air space, in my opinion.
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 27 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I dont see the fuss we would/have done exactly the same. Julian Assange and Snowdon are perhaps the best examples.

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After the United States cancelled Snowden's passport, stranding him in Russia, they considered transporting him to Latin America on the presidential jet of a sympathetic Latin American leader. In order to throw the US off the scent, they spoke about the jet of the Bolivian president Evo Morales, instead of the jet they were considering.[failed verification] In July 2013, Morales' jet was forced to land in Austria after the US pressured Italy, France, and Spain to deny the jet access to their airspace over false rumours Snowden was on board.[242][243] Assange said the grounding "reveals the true nature of the relationship between Western Europe and the United States" as "a phone call from U.S. intelligence was enough to close the airspace to a booked presidential flight, which has immunity". Assange advised Snowden that he would be safest in Russia which was better able to protect its borders than Venezuela, Brazil or Ecuador.[244][245] In 2015, Maria Luisa Ramos, the Bolivian ambassador to Russia, accused Assange of putting Morales' life at risk.[246][244] Assange stated that he regretted what happened but that "[w]e can’t predict that other countries engage in some ... unprecedented criminal operation".[244][246]


If your a wanted criminal, justified or not, you dont go in the country your wanted by, and that includes air space, in my opinion.


There's a big fucking difference between refusing access to airspace and inventing a spurious bomb scare in order to force a plane to land on the threat of being shot down.
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PostPosted: 18:23 - 27 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Note that the flight was closer to Vilnius than it was to Minsk when it was diverted. If it was truly a safety issue then Vilnius would have been quicker.

Would they really have shot down a European airliner if it had bolted for the border?
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 27 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

International Law governing sovereign airspace fully permits a Cuntry to request any fly-over to land at one of its suitable airports.

The difficulty in that exists when the diversion impacts the safety of the flight.

What Lukashenko did was unsafe.

The fake bomb scare is illegal though.

He submits that they acted on information from Switzerland. Switzerland denied this.
(But then Switzerland's credibility of foreign policy needs to be questioned too.... They have a track record of poor international relations.) The Horn Blowing, Yodelising, Cuckoo Kuntz what they are.
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 27 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

A country can do what it likes with its air space, the reason/bomb scare is irrelevant.

Fact is all countries have political problems and they will do almost anything to get rid of them. US, UK and Europe have done a lot worse.
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PostPosted: 22:54 - 27 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Would they really have shot down a European airliner if it had bolted for the border?


Nutters with Russian backing shooting down planes... no, that could never happen.
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PostPosted: 04:18 - 28 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

kramdra wrote:
A country can do what it likes with its air space, the reason/bomb scare is irrelevant.

Fact is all countries have political problems and they will do almost anything to get rid of them. US, UK and Europe have done a lot worse.



Well I believe personal travel and further trade sanctions suggest that a cuntry can do what it wants with their airspace but they should seriously consider their options in doing so.
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PostPosted: 06:40 - 28 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
kramdra wrote:
A country can do what it likes with its air space, the reason/bomb scare is irrelevant.

Fact is all countries have political problems and they will do almost anything to get rid of them. US, UK and Europe have done a lot worse.



Well I believe personal travel and further trade sanctions suggest that a cuntry can do what it wants with their airspace but they should seriously consider their options in doing so.

A despot will put the need to suppress opposition above the needs of the country.
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 28 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:

A despot will put the need to suppress opposition above the needs of the country.


Yep, Indubitably so.

But it's all that can be done short of organising/arranging for a bullet.

Can't vote him out so maybe someone should take him out.

Eastern Block people especially have done this in the past. Our African brothers are close second.

Ion Antonescu, Romania

Nicolae Ceaușescu, Romania

Louis XVI of France

Francisco Macías Nguema, Equatorial Guinea

Alphonse Massamba-Débat, Republic of the Congo

Adnan Menderes, Turkey


Mengistu Haile Mariam, Ethiopia. (Sentenced to death in absentia.)

Mussolini, Italy. (Him, his mates and one of his floozies were shot and strung up.)

Imre Nagy, Hungary

Mohammad Najibullah Ahmadzai, Afghanistan (Murdered, dragged through the streets then hung from a traffic light pole by Taliban. Who are heading back into Afghanistan as I post.)

Ferenc Szálasi, Hungary

Vidkun Abraham Lauritz Jonssøn Quisling, Norway

Saddam Hussein Abd al-Majid al-Tikriti, Iraq

Jozef Gašpar Tiso, Slovak Rep.

Julius Caesar, Rome

So.... If the planet's align the possibility is still there.

Maybe not execution but some sort of Cow Pat/coup d'état.
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 28 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe covertly fund an underground resistance to counter the Russian backing? Isolating Belarus from only one side of its geography seems a little futile Thinking
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PostPosted: 00:03 - 29 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

kramdra wrote:
A country can do what it likes with its air space,


I think they are now learning that works both ways.
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 31 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

For a laugh, lets do the same thing when a Russian bomber accidentally flies into UK airspace for the umpteenth time.

kramdra wrote:
I dont see the fuss we would/have done exactly the same. Julian Assange and Snowdon are perhaps the best examples.


There was an incident with a a businessman involved in cannabis or something similar from Canada where they grounded the plane as it was flying over US airspace.
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 31 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jmoan wrote:
For a laugh, lets do the same thing when a Russian bomber accidentally flies into UK airspace for the umpteenth time.

kramdra wrote:
I dont see the fuss we would/have done exactly the same. Julian Assange and Snowdon are perhaps the best examples.


There was an incident with a a businessman involved in cannabis or something similar from Canada where they grounded the plane as it was flying over US airspace.


I thought the ruskies fly a heading that would take them into UK airspace but Leuchars or Lincoln scramble tornados to turn the daft bastirts away.

They are checking readiness for when they come over for real. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 31 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our airspace only reaches out 12 miles. The bombers are detected approx 100 miles out.

They are intercepted at about 50 miles out.

They don't enter our airspace.
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PostPosted: 11:14 - 05 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing new about this. Ever heard of extraordinary rendition? The fact is if you piss off any state including our own then it will come after you.
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PostPosted: 14:27 - 05 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Putin had a pop:

Putin sees 'double standard' in US Capitol riot prosecutions

Right-Wing protesters/rioters/insurgents - straight to jail, do not pass go.
Left-Wing Burners, Looters & Murderers - get out of jail free cards funded by the President & Vice-President.
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