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PostPosted: 16:51 - 27 May 2021    Post subject: Smear, Subterfuge and Dom Cummings (and some CV19 stuff). Reply with quote

1st, Tobias Elwood: Tosser.

2nd, This Cummings chap was run-off by Boris.
Probably Handcock smirked when Cummings was carrying his box of pencils, Post-Pads and unused staples out of No10.

3rd, Mr. Cummings now lashing out at all of it.

4th, the whole lot are a shower or maggots.

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PostPosted: 17:55 - 27 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cummings came across as an arrogant, resentful, lying prick who wanted to run the country without being elected. Certainly not a team player! Laughing He might be right about Hancock though.

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/everyone-whos-called-cummings-a-liar-for-years-ready-to-believe-every-word-20210526208491
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PostPosted: 18:08 - 27 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Public opinion polls still highlight that this sh1tshower of a government to be firmly in the lead.

I can only imagine that people vote for them because they always have or they think a different party couldn't do better. I usually vote for who I consider is 'best' at the time of voting and currently it's a tossup between Count Binface and the Green party. That may change for the next election if only to see the back of this lot.

'Labour are sh1thouses too' I hear you say. Yes, yes they are, yet in the sacred name of Barry Sheene anyone can see they stink less than this disgrace who are 'in power'.

The PM hired Cumstains as his chief advisor.
Stood beside him during the eyesight testdrive.
Hancock is ....what? An excellent Health secretary? A good one? Fair? Average?

1% pay increase. That's not even running on the spot. That's a slap in the kipper whilst the powers that be have been giving contracts without putting them going out to tender.

Track and trace..somebody tell me it worked.
Counting a pair of gloves as 2 items of PPE. I mean c'mon.
Sending people back into carehomes without testing them ..and they did have the ability to test them.
Missing COBRA meetings whilst covid was causing real sh1t in Italy.
Allowing borders to remain open.
Not testing those that entered.

...and the public are left with weak journalism and weak opposition parties to ask the questions.

The vaccine rollout is done by the infrastructure that exists from government to government and cannot be wholly attributed to the cabinet....so wind yer neck in Johnson.

If the kids could pull themselves away from playing games and naffing about on tiktok then maybe just maybe there will be change.
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 27 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you think that the current incarnation of Labour would be better, you're living in cloud cuckoo land.
The Tories should be held to account. But don't try to tell me the looney left woke crazies on the opposite benches would do anything good for the people of this country.
Just remember what kind of ever-shrinking minority you're now in if you think differently.
The most obvious thing to me is that this country needs a new political party.
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 27 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
If you think that the current incarnation of Labour would be better, you're living in cloud cuckoo land.
The Tories should be held to account. But don't try to tell me the looney left woke crazies on the opposite benches would do anything good for the people of this country.
Just remember what kind of ever-shrinking minority you're now in if you think differently.
The most obvious thing to me is that this country needs a new political party.



Possibly a new or rethink of politics and the effect there of.

There are good and competent people in all of the parties (that statement fully excludes anyone in the SNP)
We are shielded from the good and gracious by the loud and obnoxious of politics.

One doesn't need to be clever to win votes. One need only be more devious/ruthless.

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PostPosted: 20:35 - 27 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

So one sociapath has fallen out with a bunch of other sociopaths. Thats how the public will see this and so will look the other way and doing so will miss seeing just what a ballsup the government is and just how much the previous Tory governments austerity policies set us up for mass deaths.
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PostPosted: 22:42 - 27 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woke is a term that refers to awareness of issues that concern social justice and racial justice.

Sounds terrible. (1 hollow point to me....I thankyou).

There are no winnahs in discussions about the current political parties ...only hollow point scoring.


I'm more your ageing anarchist which abhors cronyism and deception.
The current administration wreaks, and those waiting in the wings leave me uneasy.

Y'know that Stuart Garner the ex CEO of Norton motorcycles...him that fleeced the pensions. Apparently he can't be a director of a company again. That's how they hold these types of people to account.


Either I put up and shut up...or place my vote somewhere else, or find a grassy knoll.
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 27 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boris is a dick.

Starmer is a pussy.

Cummins is an asshole.

The rest of the story can be found in the film Team America, World Police.
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PostPosted: 22:52 - 27 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Woke is a term that refers to awareness of issues that concern social justice and racial justice in order to overthrow democracy and gain power


FTFY Neutral Stick with anarchism - at least you can genuinely say you have the moral high ground - Wokeism is the wholesale destruction of Western Civilisation.
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It’s obvious really, one minute you’re in charge of housing, then there’s a reshuffle and you’ve got defence or health, and if you’ve had any previous job experience at all it was gambling with so much of other people’s money you can hardly lose.
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PostPosted: 23:09 - 27 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woke, Progressive, Marxist, Post Modernist...the list goes on but they're all leading to the same disaster. "Social justice" is the one thing you can guarantee they won't achieve.
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 28 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

What has being woke, socialist or progessive etc. got to do with the shitstorm that the torys created whilst missmanaging the COVID 19 crisis?
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What has being woke, socialist or progessive etc. got to do with the shitstorm that the torys created whilst missmanaging the COVID 19 crisis?


You can attack the Tories all you want. Chances are, I'll be agreeing with much of what you say. But the point I'm trying to get through to you is that the mistakes they make and the problems they cause don't make Labour good. My advice would be to not tie yourself to any ideology, but try to look for the good in all, instead of the bad in one. Socialism has some good motivating points, but as the sole basis of government it would be disastrous, just in a different way to the disastrousness of basing the entire governmental system on conservatism.
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PostPosted: 18:57 - 28 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Nobby the Bastard wrote:
What has being woke, socialist or progessive etc. got to do with the shitstorm that the torys created whilst missmanaging the COVID 19 crisis?


You can attack the Tories all you want. Chances are, I'll be agreeing with much of what you say. But the point I'm trying to get through to you is that the mistakes they make and the problems they cause don't make Labour good. My advice would be to not tie yourself to any ideology, but try to look for the good in all, instead of the bad in one. Socialism has some good motivating points, but as the sole basis of government it would be disastrous, just in a different way to the disastrousness of basing the entire governmental system on conservatism.



Ahhh, so your an advocaat of the liberal party is what you're telling us?

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PostPosted: 19:26 - 28 May 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ahhh, so your an advocaat of the liberal party is what you're telling us?

Got ya. Thumbs Up

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Nobby the Bastard wrote:
What has being woke, socialist or progessive etc. got to do with the shitstorm that the torys created whilst missmanaging the COVID 19 crisis?


Nothing at all, it's just a get-out-of-jail-free card for those who are absolutely fucking brainwashed. "Yehbut Labour" has been the go-to line for about a decade now.

Miliband was Tory Lite and nobody wanted that.

Corbyn was hard left and nobody wanted that.

Starmer is nobody-even-knows so nobody wants that.

Oh and through all of this, Labour is just too woke to be a real political party. They talk about race issues and it's "woke", but when Priti Patel stands up in parliament and says "let me tell you about race" it's considered hard-hitting and to-the-point, even though she's talking about exactly the same fucking thing.

It's just a constant societal brainwash. No matter what Labour presents itself as, people have been convinced that the Tories are simply the lesser of two evils, in all possible scenarios. The only running theme through all of this is the mainstream media, which is largely right wing and backs the Tories. It's long been known among the elites that propaganda is the greatest weapon of the modern age.
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No matter what Labour presents itself as, people have been convinced that the Tories are simply the lesser of two evils, in all possible scenarios.


Pretty much what I consider to be the case based omn previous performance.The tories spend years fixing the damage labour did, then labour get in and spend the next few years acting like a 5 year old with a credit card.
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To be clear. Is there anyone out there who DIDN'T take Cummins "performance" as nothing more or less than a disgruntled ex-employee who has been sacked from a position where he thought he was untouchable and wielded power and influence taking the opportunity to stick the knife in?
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d, then labour get in and spend the next few years acting like a 5 year old with a credit card.


I guess the billions thrown on so-called "emergency PPE", a non-existent track and trace app, and other brazenly corrupt contracts passed you by then. And that's just since covid. We also have things like the phantom post-Brexit ferry terminal which saw a few million chucked on a company that barely existed.

The difference between Tory wastage and Labour wastage is that with Labour at least we get something for it. Tories just take as much as they can and give it to their friends.
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stinkwheel wrote:
.The tories spend years fixing the damage labour did.


It's been 11 years, tell me what was broken and what has been fixed.

Remember, it's been 11 years.
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The difference between Tory wastage and Labour wastage is that with Labour at least we get something for it. Tories just take as much as they can and give it to their friends.


So. You have a choice between greedy and incompetant.

Tory corporate squandering pales into insignificance when compared with the legacy of incompetantly implemented PPP schemes.
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Lord Percy wrote:

It's been 11 years, tell me what was broken and what has been fixed.

Remember, it's been 11 years.


Labour were a boom government and did the typical socialist spend all the monies thing so when they went out of government, the treasury was empty. Then the global economy tanked and tories get the blane for the austerity. Whereas I believe the labour plan would have been to borrow and spend even more? ...Because that always works.

If labour had been in charge for the last 11 years, we'd be where the PIGS are now, except without the support (and political interference) of the central European bank. They'd have landed up agreeing to some sort of god-awful rescue deal and Europe would be balls-deep into the UK past the point of pulling out or even having a say.

They don't get voted in because at some level, a majority of UK citizens understand this to be the case.

So yeah, least worst. I believe we'd be spending wheelbarrows full of Euros and working 3-day weeks by now if labour had been in charge.
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Lord Percy wrote:
Remember, it's been 11 years.


Indeed Sad There's still plenty of bollox that Blair enacted that hasn't been rolled back. Even stuff that Tony himself now regrets Rolling Eyes

But with regards to Cummins I've deliberately avoided paying attention to anything he says since the whole "eye test" debacle - credibility zero. I suspect if I did I'd hear echoes of Malcom Tucker, "...don't mess with me, boy, I will fuck you up so bad a closed casket funeral will be the least of your problems!" Laughing
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Lord Percy wrote:
"Yehbut Labour" has been the go-to line for about a decade now.

Miliband was Tory Lite and nobody wanted that.

Corbyn was hard left and nobody wanted that.

Starmer is nobody-even-knows so nobody wants that.

So you’re saying people should vote Labour simply to keep the Tories out, despite not knowing or necessarily agreeing with Labour policies; or that the supposedly right-wing MSM have deceived us by describing recent iterations as Tory-lite, hard left and then the party of abstention, when all of which are plainly correct. Keep blaming everyone but the Labour Party itself.

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stinkwheel wrote:
and tories get the blane for the austerity. Whereas I believe the labour plan would have been to borrow and spend even more? ...Because that always works.


I'm surprised you don't know this.

Gordon Brown's economic recovery plan was adopted by the majority of the affected nations post-2008 and was hailed as an all-round good idea. Even the USA followed suit. It was a mixture of tax cuts and investment where needed. UK was going to do this too, but sadly Tories took the helm and we were given George the-art-history-graduate Osborne's household budget model instead, which economists all over said was a terrible idea. But hey it clearly was an easy sell to the uninformed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_fiscal_policy_response_to_the_Great_Recession

Things to note from the above article:

1. All nations enacted some form of fiscal stimulus package, i.e. spending their way to recovery.

2. UK was the leader of this idea.

3. Tories reversed it and turned the UK into pretty much the only nation not opting for fiscal stimulus.

After this, it's no secret that the UK was slowest to recover from 2008. Hell we had Theresa May telling us there was still no money available even in 2017. Nearly a decade of economic ineptitude from those lot and people are still dumb enough to say "yehbut llllaaayyyybbouurr", the mind boggles.
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