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NorthantsPete
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PostPosted: 17:04 - 28 Jun 2021    Post subject: Locking upa classic bike Reply with quote

So i went to apply my disc lock yesterday on a new to me classic bike and had a bit of a Clarkson moment:

"Ah........ this is not going to fit " (look down, drum brakes front and back)

Ended up putting it in the spokes to make pushing it away very difficult...


What's a good way to lock up an old bike? I have an anchor and chain for the frame or wheel but if i really wanted to lock it when out and about, what will give the buggers too much time to be noticed? (i know every bike is stolen if given enough time)

classic bike locking up tips please!

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PostPosted: 17:23 - 28 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whos in their right mind is going to steal an old bike? Rolling Eyes

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Out and about security is an open wound.

Finding a good place to leave it.
Finding something immovable to attach it too.
Finding a device, that doesn't need an articulated truck to carry it, that is thwart-proof.

It's a problem thing. Generally it depends on the scrote level of where you park it.

Some places are known hot spots.

Look at Pragmis and Almax they only make security stuff. Not like those cnuts Oxford et al who try to do everything they can make a buck or two from.
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 28 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could try a brake lever lock. Far more in the "deterrent" area than "security" because you can the brake line or cable to get around it, but it will prevent casual scrotes.

Otherwise I would try a long/deep padlock to lock the spokes to the fork leg. Can also be got around by cutting spokes, but it's something.

Chain are a pain in the arse to cart around. I prefer a disc lock or similar because I can make a bracket to store it on the bike, and good insurance.
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PostPosted: 18:18 - 28 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since I pretty much always have a top box on, if I'm likely to be leaving the bike anywhere I'll take a chain, otherwise bikes with no disc brake, I used a U lock. One I had came with a bracket to mount behind the number plate, but I don't remember getting around to fitting it.

If they want it, they'll have it, but if it's enough to make someone try someone else's bike, that's good enough.
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PostPosted: 22:39 - 28 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leave the key in the ignition, choke fully open and ignition timing fully advanced.
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PostPosted: 23:54 - 28 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Considering so many old bikes cost more than the "average modern bike", I'd think they were more nickworthy?
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PostPosted: 11:40 - 29 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah i'd agree older bikes are easier to knick too

I went for this int he end, should do the job, straight through the frame and wheels!

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/nnoAAOSwH75glTUD/s-l1600.jpg
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PostPosted: 02:53 - 30 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

NorthantsPete wrote:
yeah i'd agree older bikes are easier to knick too

I went for this int he end, should do the job, straight through the frame and wheels!

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/nnoAAOSwH75glTUD/s-l1600.jpg


Classic Defeat of Classic Lock using Classic tool.

https://youtu.be/0-eOnzrI43Y

ps I was only kidding about 'who would steal a classic bike BTW. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 09:37 - 30 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not really relevant - thats an old D-lock you could open with cardboard wedged in the key port.

This is a new sold secure diamond rated U-lock, Gold rated for motorcycles, that and Ill be sticking through the chassis and wheel so no room for anything - you'd have to hit it or cut it, which will take an age
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PostPosted: 10:29 - 30 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

NorthantsPete wrote:
cut it, which will take an age


About... 15 seconds, maybe.

Its a deterrent, not a theft prevention device. It just deters the common scrote, but 'insertGenericName' hoodlum with a grinder is going to make it look like a piece of chewing gum.
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PostPosted: 10:33 - 30 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

NorthantsPete wrote:
Not really relevant - thats an old D-lock you could open with cardboard wedged in the key port.

This is a new sold secure diamond rated U-lock, Gold rated for motorcycles, that and Ill be sticking through the chassis and wheel so no room for anything - you'd have to hit it or cut it, which will take an age


Sold Secure Thatchams were busted by a local tradi g standards years ago.

Manufacturers submitted stuff for testing.
Not selected at random but stuff that was certain to meet the test.
The testing was flawed too.

https://youtu.be/MBXvcFYZhig

What I'm getting at is that a chain or disc lock might provide misplaced trust.
Do not be surprised.

And I knew the video of the car jack was an old one. Rolling Eyes

Bike security it a multi million pound market.
There are a very very limited few that provide anything other than might pass Thatchams.

You need security to far exceed Thatchams.
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 30 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:


You need security to far exceed Thatchams.


What we need is for TWOC'ing cvnts to have their hands cut off when they get caught, rather than a £5 slap on the wrist (assuming the fuzz even bother investigating).
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 30 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:


Very enjoyable to watch, but ultimately unless it's made from adamantium, any chain/lock can be cut by the right tool... (Unsure many would take a cutter that size to an opportune bike worth a couple k though).

Just like the uncuttable Litelok....until you use a proper cutter that is.
https://youtu.be/D-On0DGcDlc?t=88
If everyone got one of those because it's the best, the "proper" thieves would probably look it up and splash the £100 on the cutter, and it's back to the drawing board.

I'm worried my zx9r is more appealing than the CB (obviously), but I don't see myself carrying more than 2 alarmed disc locks under the seat.
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 30 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

SirFallalot wrote:
MCN wrote:


Very enjoyable to watch, but ultimately unless it's made from adamantium, any chain/lock can be cut by the right tool... (Unsure many would take a cutter that size to an opportune bike worth a couple k though).

Just like the uncuttable Litelok....until you use a proper cutter that is.
https://youtu.be/D-On0DGcDlc?t=88
If everyone got one of those because it's the best, the "proper" thieves would probably look it up and splash the £100 on the cutter, and it's back to the drawing board.

I'm worried my zx9r is more appealing than the CB (obviously), but I don't see myself carrying more than 2 alarmed disc locks under the seat.


xX-Alex-Xx wrote:
What we need is for TWOC'ing cvnts to have their hands cut off when they get caught, rather than a £5 slap on the wrist (assuming the fuzz even bother investigating).


Punishment for vehicle theft or attempted should be community work washing dirty vehicles Surprised
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 30 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

security protection levels aside, trackers appear to be a good way to get your bike back

I read of one woman whos husbands bike was stolen broad daylight, she followed them to a little garage (they store them there for a while normally to see if detected then move them for stripping of parts/ proep for selling.

She rang the police wo turned up arrested them all and she got her bike back - bit of a hero story but ive heard others getting theirs back due to trackers too.


As for how long it takes to break a lock, depends ont he tools the persons skillset, they are all deterrents so the louder or more difficult the better


I generally use a ground anchor, big chain and lock with disck lock, steering locked and another lock somewhere in the sprocket. all in all, it would take them over 15 minutes without being disturbed using meaty products and thats if you know what youre doing, ive had one guy with just a boss lock in his disc get to kee his bike as the theif came badly prepared - id hear them making nooise, I can hear a squirrel fart in the night.

tracker next? maybe.
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PostPosted: 14:34 - 30 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

NorthantsPete wrote:
As for how long it takes to break a lock, depends ont he tools the persons skillset, they are all deterrents so the louder or more difficult the better

I generally use a ground anchor, big chain and lock with disck lock, steering locked and another lock somewhere in the sprocket. all in all, it would take them over 15 minutes without being disturbed using meaty products and thats if you know what youre doing, ive had one guy with just a boss lock in his disc get to kee his bike as the theif came badly prepared - id hear them making nooise, I can hear a squirrel fart in the night.

tracker next? maybe.


Mate if someone is determined to take your bike they're going to take it. If they target your bike specifically you can bet they're not messing and will just come with a battery powered angle grinder and cut your chain and locks.

Not even the Oxford Beast lasts more than a few minutes against an angle grinder. If your disc lock is too beefy they will just cut the brake disc itself either side of the lock and that's another few minutes at the very most. I guarantee they're getting through all of your locks in less than the 15 minutes you think they'd take more than.

People like to think they'd hear the racket and go down to confront them but in reality they will be too busy collapsing through their own arse and shitting themselves to go and take on some determined thieves with angle grinders.

Am I ever going to go down to a load of tooled-up lads to fight over my already partially fucked bike? Am I fuck, I'll call the police and watch the scrotes take it away and deal with it from there. Why risk injury, further damage to my property in revenge attacks afterwards, etc?

The tracker is a bit of a double-edged sword to me, why would I want to go and try to arrange retrieving my fucked bike from a shite area with scrotes around? I'd rather just let it disappear and then get an insurance pay-out and start again.
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 30 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a thread on here years ago where someone had a brand new bike chained down to two ground anchors in a concrete shed with metal doors in the middle of a field.

He came in one day to find the frame and front wheel attached to the ground anchors surrounded by a sea of nuts and bolts. They'd been in and had literally stripped the whole bike to its componant parts and passed them out of the 2ft square window.
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PostPosted: 15:33 - 30 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
There was a thread on here years ago where someone had a brand new bike chained down to two ground anchors in a concrete shed with metal doors in the middle of a field.

He came in one day to find the frame and front wheel attached to the ground anchors surrounded by a sea of nuts and bolts. They'd been in and had literally stripped the whole bike to its componant parts and passed them out of the 2ft square window.


That's dedication. Was it a super rare bike?
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 30 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fat Angry Scotsman wrote:


That's dedication. Was it a super rare bike?


From memory, it was a brand new Japanese supersport. Like a CBR600RR or an R6. Literally brand new, it hadn't been ridden.
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PostPosted: 16:15 - 30 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

SirFallalot wrote:
MCN wrote:


Very enjoyable to watch, but ultimately unless it's made from adamantium, any chain/lock can be cut by the right tool... (Unsure many would take a cutter that size to an opportune bike worth a couple k though).

Just like the uncuttable Litelok....until you use a proper cutter that is.
https://youtu.be/D-On0DGcDlc?t=88
If everyone got one of those because it's the best, the "proper" thieves would probably look it up and splash the £100 on the cutter, and it's back to the drawing board.

I'm worried my zx9r is more appealing than the CB (obviously), but I don't see myself carrying more than 2 alarmed disc locks under the seat.


Pragmasis and Almax are not ignoring determined attack. But they advise minimum chain spec.
They go into chain spec more than the other fakers.
Other fakers just pad out their business with stuff.
Almax and Pragmasis specialise in bike security.
One recommendation they advise is 16mm chain. Most croppers can't chew that size. Them your into dewalt battery grinders.. Pro thieves territory.
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PostPosted: 16:43 - 30 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
From memory, it was a brand new Japanese supersport. Like a CBR600RR or an R6. Literally brand new, it hadn't been ridden.


Incredible amount of effort for not a lot of gain surely it's not worth a decent percentage of retail when parted out like that? Fucking gutted for the guy who's bike it was though. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 30 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

NorthantsPete wrote:
yeah i'd agree older bikes are easier to knick too

I went for this int he end, should do the job, straight through the frame and wheels!

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/nnoAAOSwH75glTUD/s-l1600.jpg


What looks to be that exact lock was defeated in 37 seconds in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pywN558dJaU
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Fat Angry Scotsman wrote:


Incredible amount of effort for not a lot of gain surely it's not worth a decent percentage of retail when parted out like that? Fucking gutted for the guy who's bike it was though. Crying or Very sad


Remember it's 100% profit for the thief.

Parted out bikes are worth WAY more than the sum of their parts. Breakers buy and break brand new bikes.
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 30 Jun 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Remember it's 100% profit for the thief.

Parted out bikes are worth WAY more than the sum of their parts. Breakers buy and break brand new bikes.


Honestly had no idea there was such a buoyant market for second-hand parts! Shocked
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Fat Angry Scotsman wrote:


Honestly had no idea there was such a buoyant market for second-hand parts! Shocked


You are probably looking at £200-250 per fairing section just to begin with.
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