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Whos in their right mind is going to steal an old bike?
Out and about security is an open wound.
Finding a good place to leave it.
Finding something immovable to attach it too.
Finding a device, that doesn't need an articulated truck to carry it, that is thwart-proof.
It's a problem thing. Generally it depends on the scrote level of where you park it.
Some places are known hot spots.
Look at Pragmis and Almax they only make security stuff. Not like those cnuts Oxford et al who try to do everything they can make a buck or two from. ____________________ Disclaimer: The comments above may be predicted text and not necessarily the opinion of MCN. |
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Since I pretty much always have a top box on, if I'm likely to be leaving the bike anywhere I'll take a chain, otherwise bikes with no disc brake, I used a U lock. One I had came with a bracket to mount behind the number plate, but I don't remember getting around to fitting it.
If they want it, they'll have it, but if it's enough to make someone try someone else's bike, that's good enough. ____________________ Chances are quite high you are not in my Monkeysphere, and I don't care about you. Don't take it personally.
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stinkwheel Bovine Proctologist
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NorthantsPete Two Stroke Sniffer
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yeah i'd agree older bikes are easier to knick too
I went for this int he end, should do the job, straight through the frame and wheels!
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/nnoAAOSwH75glTUD/s-l1600.jpg ____________________ ==========================
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Classic Defeat of Classic Lock using Classic tool.
https://youtu.be/0-eOnzrI43Y
ps I was only kidding about 'who would steal a classic bike BTW. ____________________ Disclaimer: The comments above may be predicted text and not necessarily the opinion of MCN. |
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Very enjoyable to watch, but ultimately unless it's made from adamantium, any chain/lock can be cut by the right tool... (Unsure many would take a cutter that size to an opportune bike worth a couple k though).
Just like the uncuttable Litelok....until you use a proper cutter that is.
https://youtu.be/D-On0DGcDlc?t=88
If everyone got one of those because it's the best, the "proper" thieves would probably look it up and splash the £100 on the cutter, and it's back to the drawing board.
I'm worried my zx9r is more appealing than the CB (obviously), but I don't see myself carrying more than 2 alarmed disc locks under the seat. ____________________
Lexmoto Valiant 125; 94 CB400; 96 CB750F2; 81 CB750 (restoring, lol not gonna happen); 2001 ZX9R(It's about to go :c); 2012 R1200R; 2015 R1200RS |
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NorthantsPete wrote: | As for how long it takes to break a lock, depends ont he tools the persons skillset, they are all deterrents so the louder or more difficult the better
I generally use a ground anchor, big chain and lock with disck lock, steering locked and another lock somewhere in the sprocket. all in all, it would take them over 15 minutes without being disturbed using meaty products and thats if you know what youre doing, ive had one guy with just a boss lock in his disc get to kee his bike as the theif came badly prepared - id hear them making nooise, I can hear a squirrel fart in the night.
tracker next? maybe. |
Mate if someone is determined to take your bike they're going to take it. If they target your bike specifically you can bet they're not messing and will just come with a battery powered angle grinder and cut your chain and locks.
Not even the Oxford Beast lasts more than a few minutes against an angle grinder. If your disc lock is too beefy they will just cut the brake disc itself either side of the lock and that's another few minutes at the very most. I guarantee they're getting through all of your locks in less than the 15 minutes you think they'd take more than.
People like to think they'd hear the racket and go down to confront them but in reality they will be too busy collapsing through their own arse and shitting themselves to go and take on some determined thieves with angle grinders.
Am I ever going to go down to a load of tooled-up lads to fight over my already partially fucked bike? Am I fuck, I'll call the police and watch the scrotes take it away and deal with it from there. Why risk injury, further damage to my property in revenge attacks afterwards, etc?
The tracker is a bit of a double-edged sword to me, why would I want to go and try to arrange retrieving my fucked bike from a shite area with scrotes around? I'd rather just let it disappear and then get an insurance pay-out and start again. ____________________ PRESENT: 2018 BMW S1000XR SE Sport.
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There was a thread on here years ago where someone had a brand new bike chained down to two ground anchors in a concrete shed with metal doors in the middle of a field.
He came in one day to find the frame and front wheel attached to the ground anchors surrounded by a sea of nuts and bolts. They'd been in and had literally stripped the whole bike to its componant parts and passed them out of the 2ft square window. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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SirFallalot wrote: |
Very enjoyable to watch, but ultimately unless it's made from adamantium, any chain/lock can be cut by the right tool... (Unsure many would take a cutter that size to an opportune bike worth a couple k though).
Just like the uncuttable Litelok....until you use a proper cutter that is.
https://youtu.be/D-On0DGcDlc?t=88
If everyone got one of those because it's the best, the "proper" thieves would probably look it up and splash the £100 on the cutter, and it's back to the drawing board.
I'm worried my zx9r is more appealing than the CB (obviously), but I don't see myself carrying more than 2 alarmed disc locks under the seat. |
Pragmasis and Almax are not ignoring determined attack. But they advise minimum chain spec.
They go into chain spec more than the other fakers.
Other fakers just pad out their business with stuff.
Almax and Pragmasis specialise in bike security.
One recommendation they advise is 16mm chain. Most croppers can't chew that size. Them your into dewalt battery grinders.. Pro thieves territory. ____________________ Disclaimer: The comments above may be predicted text and not necessarily the opinion of MCN. |
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What looks to be that exact lock was defeated in 37 seconds in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pywN558dJaU ____________________ PRESENT: 2018 BMW S1000XR SE Sport.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 2 years, 294 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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