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Simon13245
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PostPosted: 21:30 - 07 Jul 2021    Post subject: Honda NSR 125 idle rpm Reply with quote

Hey guys.

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So today I went for another joy ride. I did some engine braking, warmed it up etc. I warm up the bike by turning it on with a choke, then turning the choke off, giving it little blips for one minute, and then ride it easy on lower rpm.
I noticed the idle speed (when warmed up) at around 1750rpm. It seems that my NSR is running too lean. Is it ok to leave it that way? Manual states 1400rpm +-100.
Also, in the last thread, I mentioned I can't start fast. So that means uphill I gotta start slowly because when I give it more revs and letting go clutch faster makes the engine die.
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 07 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Give it more revs and slip the clutch. Its only a 125. Its not like.a.big 4 that will sit comfortably at 2k.

I'll happily have my thou at 6k when pulling.away from.the lights.

Dropping the clutch quickly on something small, especially if it's been optimised for top end, will only end badly.
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 08 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Give it more revs and slip the clutch. Its only a 125. Its not like.a.big 4 that will sit comfortably at 2k.

I'll happily have my thou at 6k when pulling.away from.the lights.

Dropping the clutch quickly on something small, especially if it's been optimised for top end, will only end badly.


I understand, thank you Smile I wasn't dropping clutch like hard, just normally in a slow manner.
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 08 Jul 2021    Post subject: Re: Honda NSR 125 idle rpm Reply with quote

Simon13245 wrote:
So that means uphill I gotta start slowly because when I give it more revs and letting go clutch faster makes the engine die.

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PostPosted: 12:51 - 08 Jul 2021    Post subject: Re: Honda NSR 125 idle rpm Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Simon13245 wrote:
So that means uphill I gotta start slowly because when I give it more revs and letting go clutch faster makes the engine die.


I think we misunderstood each other. I am not shooting the clutch, dropping it hard. Sometimes just releasing is quicker but still allowing the clutch to slip causes the engine to die. Letting clutch faster doesn't mean dropping it hard. I would have to record a video to show you what I mean.
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 08 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you need to separate "is this bike running well?" with "do I know how to ride this bike?" (or more specifically how a 2-stroke engine likes things.) Might I enquire as to what other bikes you might have ridden?

As a general observation you need "some throttle" on any bike for the pull-away. The larger the engine the less you'll probably need... or want! Unless you just want to unicycle everywhere Wink

I'd guess if you're giving it >4k and it falls on its face gently letting out the clutch then the bike still needs some tuning Thinking
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PostPosted: 14:59 - 08 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
I think you need to separate "is this bike running well?" with "do I know how to ride this bike?" (or more specifically how a 2-stroke engine likes things.) Might I enquire as to what other bikes you might have ridden?

As a general observation you need "some throttle" on any bike for the pull-away. The larger the engine the less you'll probably need... or want! Unless you just want to unicycle everywhere Wink

I'd guess if you're giving it >4k and it falls on its face gently letting out the clutch then the bike still needs some tuning Thinking


I know I sound like a noob (and I am), also English is not my native language so sometimes it's hard to express what I really want to say.

I rode only 2 bikes in my life, like I said I am a noob. I do however understand clutches and throttle, I drive only manuals (cars). Just like you said, the bike dies even when 4k rpm and letting the clutch slowly. Doesn't matter if it's super slow or faster. I was just curious if those idle speeds may have to do something with that situation.

What I want to say, is I expected it (in my NSR) to be similar to a car. You can start slowly, gently letting out the clutch and pressing the throttle. Or you can drive like an asshole and use your muscle memory to start fast by letting go clutch and pressing throttle more aggressively in the right moment. And by saying "letting the clutch faster" I don't think about "shooting" the clutch immediately Razz
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PostPosted: 15:18 - 08 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

4 grand is fuck all for a 2t 125. They have absolutely no torque.
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PostPosted: 16:02 - 08 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Revs the tits off it. It's how you ride an NSR.
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 08 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, my old DT was relatively torquey for a little 2-stroke. I admit I have no knowledge of more sports orientated smokers and how much you need to rag them Shifty
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 08 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
4 grand is fuck all for a 2t 125. They have absolutely no torque.


Robby wrote:
Revs the tits off it. It's how you ride an NSR.


Yeah NSR starts to pull at around 8k. It is also so loud that I feel like everyone around hates me Razz
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 12 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Idle speed is adjustable (not the mixture screw)
-To get away at a normal pace you need 5000 plus at least but it does sound like you have a carb problem which needs sorting. A blockage of some sort is giving you a flat spot it sound like. Download a manual for your carb, get some carb cleaner, rags, space to work and get cracking.
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PostPosted: 19:35 - 12 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo123 wrote:
-Idle speed is adjustable (not the mixture screw)
-To get away at a normal pace you need 5000 plus at least but it does sound like you have a carb problem which needs sorting. A blockage of some sort is giving you a flat spot it sound like. Download a manual for your carb, get some carb cleaner, rags, space to work and get cracking.


Thank you for the information. Do you think that this idle (around 1750) can damage the bike? I do not leave it idling really. Even in the cold start I blip it few times and ride it gently until it warms up.

You know, after doing about 200km (kilometers) the bike behaves better now. It still stalls if I apply too much throttle, but it works much better now.

I know that I sound like I make excuses (and I kinda do). I don't feel like removing the carb and working on it.
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 12 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tbh the only way to be sure is to stick it on a dyno and have it looked at professionally.

To me 1700 is far too high for tickover for anything but I have no idea how the carb is set up. F1 cars tick over higher than that.....
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PostPosted: 19:35 - 15 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Tbh the only way to be sure is to stick it on a dyno and have it looked at professionally.

To me 1700 is far too high for tickover for anything but I have no idea how the carb is set up. F1 cars tick over higher than that.....


Thank you.

Yes, I think that the carb needs proper adjusting. I will visit my mechanic soon.

I got more confident on the bike so I also tested the acceleration (the carb doesn't help lol) and it seems my NSR is locked Sad Gonna work on that next year maybe.
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