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PostPosted: 14:39 - 15 Jul 2021    Post subject: RXS100 tried and tested tuning? Reply with quote

are there any tried and tested mods for these? Tried and tested suppliers?

I bought a cone filter for it but now people suggest its not great on these so not fitted it as the jets are standard.

Im thinking a larger jet, cone or standard air filter and adjust the fuel mixture to suite

exhaust wise you can mess with baffles , trim them down or even change to a new exhaust (get loud though)

low down its perky after 50mph i get very little

thoughts? (Apart from get a bigger bike, im practising!)
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PostPosted: 16:19 - 15 Jul 2021    Post subject: Re: RXS100 tried and tested tuning? Reply with quote

NorthantsPete wrote:
are there any tried and tested mods for these? Tried and tested suppliers?

I bought a cone filter for it but now people suggest its not great on these so not fitted it as the jets are standard.

Im thinking a larger jet, cone or standard air filter and adjust the fuel mixture to suite

exhaust wise you can mess with baffles , trim them down or even change to a new exhaust (get loud though)

low down its perky after 50mph i get very little

thoughts? (Apart from get a bigger bike, im practising!)


This is like fucking groundhog day. Bigger bike. anything else is a waste of time and money.
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PostPosted: 17:18 - 15 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

That would depend on the person willing to spend that time and money surely.

I have to live with it for the next few months until big bike test time so why not try to make it go a bit quicker if I like to tinker?

Any help appreciated, it is a 2 stroke afterall
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PostPosted: 17:26 - 15 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get it running properly in standard form before trying to tune it. They are pretty poky wee bikes. Probably the quickest of the 100cc models.

You should hit 70mph on a standard model. (hit, not necessarily sustain)

So decoke engine and exhaust, check ring gaps and rebore if necessary, plugs, air filter. Maybe new reed valves. If the exhaust has been fucked with, put it back to normal. Run it on top quality 2-t oil. Oil the chain.

Should do wheelies.
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 15 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

RXS100 is an overgrown moped.. Lot s of tuning information here ..
https://www.mopedarmy.com/wiki/Category:Performance_Tuning
BUT you WILL have to invest significant time and energy in getting teh results you desire.
No one is going to tell you to by this jet or file that carb slide or exhaust port, or disc valve. It's hard graft and requires a lot of background reading if you don't want to cock it up.
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PostPosted: 23:49 - 15 Jul 2021    Post subject: Re: RXS100 tried and tested tuning? Reply with quote

NorthantsPete wrote:
are there any tried and tested mods for these? Tried and tested suppliers?

I bought a cone filter for it but now people suggest its not great on these so not fitted it as the jets are standard.

Im thinking a larger jet, cone or standard air filter and adjust the fuel mixture to suite

exhaust wise you can mess with baffles , trim them down or even change to a new exhaust (get loud though)

low down its perky after 50mph i get very little

thoughts? (Apart from get a bigger bike, im practising!)


Lose a couple of pounds. I had its predecessor, the RS100 and it went like shit off a shovel, for a 100.
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PostPosted: 07:43 - 16 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

I should also mention when you tune a 2-stroke, you usually steal from Peter to pay Paul. You make the engine have more power but over a very small part of the rev range at the expense of them running like crap elsewhere in the rev range. Many 2t racers won't idle at all.

At the peak of aircooled strokers, if you let the revs drop too low, they would seize, if you let them get too high, they would seize. If you listen to sound clips of them going over the mountain on the IOM when they still had a 50cc class, you'll hear them alternating between wide open throttle and nothing. The riders aren't even looking at the road, they don't need to slow down for any of the corners. They have their head over the clocks watching an exhaust manifold temperature gauge they're trying to keep in the green bit in the middle.
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PostPosted: 09:23 - 16 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess something like this will give it a bit extra, nto a lot but 15cc is 15% increase!

Then a small upjet, cone filter ive already purchased and away we go

I already run fully synth oil, everything else running nice, and it'll currently do 65, maybe more on a hill (but not found one comfortable to do it)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Engine-Cylinder-Piston-Kit-54mm-For-Yamaha-RX-RX-S-RXS-115-RX-Spesial-Y-115-F-/133726811832?mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&campid=5338722076&toolid=10001&nma=true&si=wOSs%252B3JxeMKQyyqS0yFTsfHFMPQ%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
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PostPosted: 09:56 - 16 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would fully expect a cone filter on an RXS100 to make it run like a pile of crap. They did quite a lot of work on pressure waves on that bike. It's the one with the now legendary "boost bottle" equipped intake system.

Almost certainly better to retain the airbox assembly, but you can try and find out.

What you have done is the only garaunteed route to more power on any vehicle, which is increasing the engine capacity. "There's no replacement for displacement".
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PostPosted: 10:01 - 16 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes ive heard the intake is good and they worked hard on this engine

115 i think would be rare over here, but if its just the top end thats different a 115 barrel and bits may be the way to go

anyone know if its the same carb, rarely needs changing air wise... but jets would be bigger i imagine, same carb.
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PostPosted: 10:09 - 16 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

NorthantsPete wrote:


anyone know if its the same carb, rarely needs changing air wise... but jets would be bigger i imagine, same carb.


Maybe yes, maybe no. It's a rabbit hole. In theory the actual fuel air mixture required will be exactly the same, the larger displacement just needs more of it.

HOWEVER. By changing the displacement you also alter the pressure wave dynamics in the exhaust and air inlet tract which is in the realms of arcane mathematics you'd need a degree in engineering to get your head around. Which is why most 2t tuning is done by trial and error.

Every thing you change will affect every other thing.

It would be cheaper, easier and way more effective to sell it and buy an RXS125...
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PostPosted: 17:25 - 16 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

NorthantsPete wrote:
I guess something like this will give it a bit extra, nto a lot but 15cc is 15% increase!




15cc is a 15% increase in cc not power. I used to love tinkering with two strokes, top tips are make sure there is a breaker nearby who keeps bits for whichever machine you play with and, as Stink mentioned, start a slush fund for all the bits you'll be collecting on for your trial and error process.
Golden rule number one for beginners to two strokes, especially those on a budget, stick with OEM spec parts and get it running nicely before you mess with 'upgrades'. I can guarantee, as can thousands of have-a-go-heroes before you, that you will be banging your head in frustration if you upgrade before learning the basics, what you gain in getting a simple setup you lose in needing to be some kind of black magic artist, unless you have bottomless pockets....
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PostPosted: 06:26 - 17 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

It’s now a classic. I’m sure if you mess it up there are plenty of people who would happily mess you up on the bikes behalf. Ride it or sell it and buy a bigger bike.

If you wanted to tune it as an excercise that’s one thing, but you’ve got the classic “kid with their first bike” stars in your eyes (I don’t care if you are a kid or not!). Every spotty youf with a tiddler thinks they can get another 20mph by making a cut here and a bolt on there. In reality it mostly just makes the bikes shit. However due to chip shop braggadocio, lack of real knowledge, personal pride and not wanting to admit they messed up and threw money down the drain, they will invariably claim their ‘handiwork’ was more than successful. Really if you want to make a 100 go faster, turning it into a 125 is the most reliable way, but then you’ve ruined the originality. Why turn it into a 125 when you can just buy a big bike?
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PostPosted: 10:33 - 17 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

In fairness, the above is very valid. Pretty much all 2-strokes are going for stupid money where people of my generation are trying to re-live their youth.

Something that is pervasive in this market is people want them as clean and original as possible. An attitude probably as unhelpful as the tune the nuts off it direction because they park them in their living room and ride it to the MOT once a year and spend the rest of the time polishing it and posting pictures on instagram.

However, if you put your energy into cleaning it up and making it as original as possible, not only will it run well, you could also make some money when it's time to change-up. If you get the right buyer after it with their jam-jar bottom nostalgia glasses on, there's no telling what they'd be prepared to pay out for it.
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PostPosted: 06:30 - 19 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go see Mick Abbey and get him to tune it and make a pipe to suit the tune. Should be able to get circa 20bhp and no penalty in rideability.

VM26/28 carbs fit the standard intake rubber (I’ve seen a choke side carb off a 31K used) and use a foam Ramair filter, not a cone.

It would be a giggle as they weigh fuck all to start with.

There’s a lot of people on here with no 2T development experience will tell you it’s a bad thing cause they come from the world of sticking Microns on 125’s and guessing the jetting.
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PostPosted: 06:53 - 19 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mylarballoonsfan wrote:
Go see Mick Abbey and get him to tune it and make a pipe to suit the tune. Should be able to get circa 20bhp and no penalty in rideability.

VM26/28 carbs fit the standard intake rubber (I’ve seen a choke side carb off a 31K used) and use a foam Ramair filter, not a cone.

It would be a giggle as they weigh fuck all to start with.

There’s a lot of people on here with no 2T development experience will tell you it’s a bad thing cause they come from the world of sticking Microns on 125’s and guessing the jetting.


And roughly how much would this cost?
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 19 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:

And roughly how much would this cost?


The OP didn't ask how to get 20bhp for free, he asked how to tune an RXS, which I told him.

Your point stands though - would you rather spend £600 making an RXS do a real 80-85 (with crap frame and brakes), or spend the money on training / test / bigger bike. I know people who have done so but purely for their own amusement as they already have a full licence and find this shit interesting. Also the resulting contraption won't be learner legal anymore.
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 19 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mylarballoonsfan wrote:
Nobby the Bastard wrote:

And roughly how much would this cost?


The OP didn't ask how to get 20bhp for free, he asked how to tune an RXS, which I told him.

Your point stands though - would you rather spend £600 making an RXS do a real 80-85 (with crap frame and brakes), or spend the money on training / test / bigger bike. I know people who have done so but purely for their own amusement as they already have a full licence and find this shit interesting. Also the resulting contraption won't be learner legal anymore.


And thats why he's asking on a forum because he knows a proper tuner costs probably more than the bike is worth.
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 19 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mylarballoonsfan wrote:
Go see Mick Abbey and get him to tune it and make a pipe to suit the tune. Should be able to get circa 20bhp and no penalty in rideability.

VM26/28 carbs fit the standard intake rubber (I’ve seen a choke side carb off a 31K used) and use a foam Ramair filter, not a cone.

It would be a giggle as they weigh fuck all to start with.

There’s a lot of people on here with no 2T development experience will tell you it’s a bad thing cause they come from the world of sticking Microns on 125’s and guessing the jetting.


Thanks, finally an answer to the question. I wasnt really here for a guilt trip of how Id ruined a £900 bike with a few parts and labour, more that Ive seen tuned ones, doing silly speeds and interested how they got there.

I have faster bikes, this isnt my first bike at all, my other bike, an RG125 is plenty fast however id like this one to be able to go along at 70 without the wind slowing me down so much i can barely do 50, the RG will do 90+, i havent pushed it, id never want that on this RXS as its one up from a bicycle.

Ill do both, tune this and get a big bike training/test in the near future, i can do both because Im not 17, i dont need to put my money towards anything.

Ill get the bigger bike... and still keep this for whizzing around on as many have said they do as its just a bit of fun.
In fact i parked yesterday in the pub and a guy wanted to buy it off me..hes got harleys and allsorts.... so theres plenty time for that later.

I was getting ready to call on the millyard for a hand as hes got that give it a go attitude, but ill have a chat to Mick
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 19 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Millyard builds bikes for himself and does the odd commission, but he doesn't tune other people's old commuter wrecks as far as I know.
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PostPosted: 15:31 - 19 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have an rg125 you're better spending the money on that.

You can polish a turd but it's still just a polished turd.

The rg has much more in hand. If I remember correctly, the gamma was good for about 23 bhp as standard with the power valve and factory jetting and exhaust that was sold where the territory didn't have a 125 power limit and the fun was about 32 bhp with the same when that came out.

That was out of the factory. Not even tuned.
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 19 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

NorthantsPete wrote:

Thanks, finally an answer to the question. I wasnt really here for a guilt trip of how Id ruined a £900 bike with a few parts and labour, more that Ive seen tuned ones, doing silly speeds and interested how they got there.


RXS100s? Where??

I've not seen one in years, in any state of tune, sadly.
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 20 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Feast your eyes Paul is in the uk mild tune and chris is in indonesia - far far east they love to tinker ive always got a guy messaging about those expansion exhausts custom made for this bike and india of course.
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Well the 'Kenny Rogers' Wink look-alike looks cool, but that looks like it has a basic micron on it, I'd be curious to know it that helps much. The chromed one is not for me.

If you are serious about this and have 400-500 quid to splash on it then Mick Abbey could possibly make you a pipe and see to the head/barrel. No disc valve on the RXS obvs. Ideally he'd want the whole bike up in Teeside to run it on his dyno... unless hes's done one before.

I'm pretty sure he's done YB100 motors for the FS1-E upgrade mob.
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PostPosted: 18:49 - 20 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well the 'Kenny Rogers' Wink look-alike looks cool, but that looks like it has a basic micron on it, I'd be curious to know it that helps much. The chromed one is not for me.

If you are serious about this and have 400-500 quid to splash on it then Mick Abbey could possibly make you a pipe and see to the head/barrel. No disc valve on the RXS obvs. Ideally he'd want the whole bike up in Teeside to run it on his dyno... unless hes's done one before.

I'm pretty sure he's done YB100 motors for the FS1-E upgrade mob.


Mick’s done RXS’s, I didn’t pull the 20bhp figure from thin air. But yes he’d likely want the bike as a template to make the pipe and obviously dyno test it when finished. His pipes are fabricated the old fashioned way, not CNC formed so even though he’ll have the key dimensions he needs the bike in front of him to achieve best fit.
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