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Split thread from original mega-thread. Original thread here:
https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=333100
Finally got my YR5 hybrid back on Mick Abbey's dyno a couple of days ago to check how it’s running and see if there was any small improvements to be had. Been a couple of years since it was last on (when I had the pipes made) and I had a lot of issues with detonation afterwards, my own fault for changing too many things at once and not been aware of potential issues relating to squish, chamber volume and modern fuel. After a couple of horrific piston melting incidents I went back to a set of barrels with the standard deck height and gasket setup and a set of relatively standard heads which ran well for last year and into this year.
Mick machined me a set of 521 B heads with a proper squish but close to stock volume which I fitted a few weeks ago so figured it was time to dyno test it again now it was running reliably. Bottom line is it makes 50bhp or thereabouts depending on how hot it is (joys of aircooled) with a very nice curve which is good for road riding and also nice for drive out of bends on the track. We fiddled a bit with the Zeeltronic but only found marginal gains (mainly a bit more advance after 5k helped the engine hold peak bhp a bit longer) and also tried some flowed Reed blocks with YZ85 fibre petals which gave zero advantage over the original reeds on the dyno. So it’s pretty fair to say that porting and pipes are responsible 95% of the power gains over stock.
There may be a BHP or two to be had with moving the pickup to give more peak advance and dropping the squish but I really don’t want to go down the road of encouraging detonation especially given the variable quality of road fuel these days. The most it’s ever made previously was 52bhp, throwing in the fact Mick has changed dyno software since and ambient temperatures etc I’m really happy with where it is now so just intend to enjoy it.
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rode it to nearly empty, filled up with Esso premium and added half a bottle of Wynns gold snake oil to the tank.
engine definitely felt smoother after, but that may just be down to the premium fuel  |
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Had a tinker with a Quacker, sold as running... supplied with wrong ignition key Bypassed the ignition but still nothing Cleaned up corrosion on various bullet connectors... nope! Turns out you have to pull in the clutch not a common feature on a '70s bike  ____________________ Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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Changed unknown, unbranded front sprocket out for a JT one with a rubber cushion, as per OEM spec. Supposedly much less drive chain noise. Chain and rear are still shiny and decent so they got left.
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Piddled around with ehaust as it was blowing from link pipe joint, which means I didn't get it lined up quite right last time I was pissing around.
Replaced some Dzus 1/4 turns on the fairing. Washed it. ____________________ '01 929 Fireblade (Fun) - '98 VFR800 (Commuting) |
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This weekend I have:
Repaired broken gear selector
Fitted new clutch
Fitted new tyres
Serviced the brakes
Fitted new pads.
£400 and 2 long days work. ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
132.9mph off and walked away. Gear is good, gear is good, gear is very very good  |
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got some new tyres fitted to the zx9r c2 - bridgestone t30s
£174 the pair, 50 fitted, thus £224 all in
had got best part of 8k on other set - in the past i have clocked up 10k on t30s and could've done it again this time as they were easily legal - but they start to feel absolutely horrible between 8k and 10k, and plus are all but illegal for the last 500 miles or so
i swore i'd never take a pair of tyres this far again, cos i scrimp on so much else bike-related
the new tyres improve not just the handling but also the comfort
brake pads next - ebc HH ones, and i'll also clean the calliper and pistons up by removing each calliper, actuating one piston at a time (using wood to keep the other five in their recesses), inspecting for missing dust seals, and attacking each proud piston with a toothbrush and some detergent and water, plus possibly some brake cleaner
i was going to swap the bike's oem six pot tokicos with the four piston calliper that's used on various suzukis and the triumph sprint - i actually bought a refurb'd pair about 18 months ago with the intention of fitting them once the tokico's pads had worn out - but now I feel like although the tokicos are a bit pants, I've got used to them, and get on with em ____________________ "Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the mortality rate is one hundred percent."
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I picked it up....
Stupidly left it on the centre stand on a tarmac path in the back garden. I normally slip a bit of wood under the stand in warmer weather, just in case. However this time it was the crash sound that alerted me. Found it on its side with fuel pissing out of the breather.
The right foot of the centre stand had punched through the hot tarmac and over it went. The left foot has the big lever on it, so spread the weight and only dented the tarmac.
Only the 2nd time in 9 years of ownership that the CBF1000 has been dropped. No serious damage, just a couple of small marks that won't be noticed on a bike with this many city miles under its belt.
Still sad though. I knew it was a risk and was too lazy to move it.  ____________________ 2007 CBF1000-ABS - Commuter heaven | 1994 CBR600FR - Awaiting defibrillation |
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Fitted some new Renthal diamond grips to my XSR. They're certainly more errrr... grippy than the old grips
I then went on to tinker with the baffle on the new exhaust system. As mentioned previously I'd packed way too much fibre glass in there to the point that it was barely louder than stock (The baffle's one of those ones you pop in the end with a hex screw.)
Anyhoo, I ordered a baffle of a slightly different design and just popped it in sans fibre glass and somehow I've achieved near perfection!!!
Sub 4k revs it's a bit louder but nothing dramatic so it's possible to start up, gently pull away and cruise about without pissing off the neighbours. Over 5k? All the notes! It's like going from a 3-string banjo to 1812 Overture replete with cannon Dramatic transformation.
Even the decel has taken on a rakish quality, occasionally punctuated with a light whip crack. Pure filth
Loving it, best mod I've ever done to the bike. ____________________ Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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hellkat wrote: | I went to visit the GSX750 in the garage where it has been being "sorted" and talked to the chaps who have been looking after it for me.
So one of them says to me I should only put in Super* petrol cos its an old engine and there's too much ethanol in modern petrols.
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I prefer classic bikes, so to me that bike is new. However, to the mechanics at that garage, it's older than the dinosaurs. This is probably the source of their confusion. People generally take new bikes to the garage, and work on old ones themselves. There's even a chance they might not have even ridden a bike that old. Who knows.
From September, the normal grade fuel at the pump will switch to E10. Personally, I wouldn't use that, because of an unknown risk of degrading parts of the fuel system. So you may want to consider using only the "Super" at the pump from September. It's up to you.
The octane rating of the fuel is a different matter. Why should 95 RON be insufficient for your engine? Is it modified in some way? For example, ignition total advance different from factory spec? In that case, use only higher octane fuel. If not, then there still might be a good reason to use only higher octane fuel. That is, if you think the cylinder head and pistons are caked with carbon, and you might get hot spots causing pinging.
What I would do is, just put in E5, whether that's 95 or 98 RON. Then, if you get pinging, put in some octane booster as a quick fix, and from that point onward either fill up with only high octane fuel, or have the head off and cleaned up. |
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The vehicles I have tried E10 on have been an imediate problem with the running which is my foremost problem with it.
Fuel pipes and rubber o-rings and maybe gaskets etc can be changed in time.
But for immediate reaction to running e10 you might need to advance the ignition, but also increase jet sizes and maybe other things. Unless your compression is dirt low at like 8.5:1 then e10 might not change anything at all. All sorts of variables. ____________________ CBT: 12/06/10, Theory: 22/09/10, Module 1: 09/11/10, Module 2: 19/01/11
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Yes, its a C reg
Thank you all for your helpful input, especially Robby  ____________________ Not nearly as interesting in real life. |
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Robby wrote: | Blurredman wrote: |
But for immediate reaction to running e10 you might need to advance the ignition, but also increase jet sizes and maybe other things. Unless your compression is dirt low at like 8.5:1 then e10 might not change anything at all. All sorts of variables. |
You don't need to do anything. E10 is a direct replacement for normal unleaded, it's still 95 octane fuel. Do you think all the cars on the road are getting re-tuned for it?
The problems with it are pretty much all down to how it affects certain types of rubber, although anything with fuel lines old enough to be affected by it is due new lines anway. Some problems with water as well when stored. Likewise, less of a problem with water when it is used regularly. More likely to absorb water from your fuel tank when fresh and carry it through the engine. |
I think you think i'm talking about cars which have computers and can run off various grades of fuel without any intervention. The computer does it all.
I've used various grades in my car which is carbed and does not have ECU, and 95 or not, E10 has a significant impact on the idle quality and a very noticable lack of power. Infact it was crippling- the car runs a bit lean anyway.
It was very interesting when I first experienced this (E10 is much cheaper abroad than E5, I was being cheap - next fill up with E5 the vehicle returned to normal operation).
The fuel contained is still 95 ron sure, but from what I could research there's now up to 10% less of the 'actual' fuel, which didn't seem to make much of a difference when actual easily 'combustable fuel' was at 95% (e5), which is up to 5% Ethanol (most of the time 3%). I suppose you could think about it like changing pre-mix on a 2t from 50:1 to 30:1 (there's only like 1.5% less petrol) but it's perfectly usable and safe and not too lean.
But if 90-95% true petrol of a fluid that is easily combustable then it's going to run lean, and more than reasonable.
When the forecorts start changin 95 to e10, i'll definately be experimenting with the above as it'll be cheaper in the long run than buying 98. There's been no need for me to until the near future.
In places of E10 it is recommended by manufacturers to increase jet sizes.
But in the end: I'll have to try it out and adapt
Or am I totally wrong? I mean, ethenol does burn of course, but not as well as petrol. It made an effect on my car, and then after 7 hours of burning it off and replacing with e5 95, all was grand. Maybe it was just shitty ukrainian fuel. I'll give it another go when it's in the petrol stations. ____________________ CBT: 12/06/10, Theory: 22/09/10, Module 1: 09/11/10, Module 2: 19/01/11
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 1 year, 276 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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