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Nobby the Bastard wrote: | No deaths attributed to flu last winter in the UK.
Mostly down to lockdown, I suspect. This shows just how virilent COVID is compared to flu because it was killing loads of people despite lockdown. |
So if lockdown was preventing the spread of flu, why couldn't it prevent the spread of Covid? ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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1. Covid was already active well before traditional flu season
2. don't think Flu is quite as transmissible.
3. By the time Flu season was a thing, we were well into lockdown and being 'clean' in all the places the Flu might reside.
That's my take anyway.
What will be interesting is this next winter as we've got no old flu to base this years vaccine on and everyone will be out and about and prime for catching it.
Will be playing potluck with whatever flu jab is out vs do i need to mingle until next year ____________________ Module 1 and 2 passed - October 2014. Happy owner of a 2017 Z1000SX, ex owner of a YBR125 / CB500 / VFR800. |
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stinkwheel wrote: | Or did stopping people from all over the world crowding together in airports stop the flu spreading about? |
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Ste wrote: | chickenstrip wrote: | I also think we all remember how those 'emergency hospitals', or whatever they were called - Nightingale hospitals? - were never used. |
That's a good thing though and the point of building the Nightingale hospitals might have been to encourage people to take the pandemic seriously. |
Oh, I think it was right to have them ready in case - no one knew at the time just how bad it might get, and obviously it's good that they weren't needed in the end.
As to staffing them, it might have been possible to bring in military medical personnel to help if they had been needed. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Covid19 was more successful at invading human cells than the humble killer influenza.
Hand washing, social distancing and lock-down probably helped too.
We were still well able to contract and pass on the usual shite, coughs and colds though.
So we need to work on the model more. ____________________ Disclaimer: The comments above may be predicted text and not necessarily the opinion of MCN. |
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MCN wrote: | Covid19 was more successful at invading human cells than the humble killer influenza. |
Some say it was designed to.
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Estimated death rate for Covid in the range of 0.002% death rate.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/
So if 150,000 people have died from/with it, then estimated infections would have to be in the order of 50 million people. 49.85M people who have had Covid-19 and built up antibodies, 0.15M died (sadly). Basically 74% of the population carrying antibodies.
Even accounting for statistical errors, there's still a large proportion of people who didn't know they had it, and a load more who had it and recovered. All of them now carrying an immune response, all fought and won naturally with the most advanced disease fighting system in the universe.
So how much impact are these vaccines really having, and can Hat Mancock really steal the credit for winning the war against a disease, which had at least a year in the wild unencumbered, triggering immuno-responses in a vast section of the populace? ____________________
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Well done for not saying, “herd immunity.” Although...
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Hong Kong Phooey wrote: | Estimated death rate for Covid in the range of 0.002% death rate.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/
So if 150,000 people have died from/with it, then estimated infections would have to be in the order of 50 million people. 49.85M people who have had Covid-19 and built up antibodies, 0.15M died (sadly). Basically 74% of the population carrying antibodies.
Even accounting for statistical errors, there's still a large proportion of people who didn't know they had it, and a load more who had it and recovered. All of them now carrying an immune response, all fought and won naturally with the most advanced disease fighting system in the universe.
So how much impact are these vaccines really having, and can Hat Mancock really steal the credit for winning the war against a disease, which had at least a year in the wild unencumbered, triggering immuno-responses in a vast section of the populace? |
I thought that there was something amiss with the figures in the link, so checked against Worldometers which matched. Which begs the question, what the fuck just happened in Peru? Their figures suggest that 1:180 of the population have karked it from Covid??? ____________________ Make mine a Corona. |
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Hong Kong Phooey wrote: | Estimated death rate for Covid in the range of 0.002% death rate.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/
So if 150,000 people have died from/with it, then estimated infections would have to be in the order of 50 million people. 49.85M people who have had Covid-19 and built up antibodies, 0.15M died (sadly). Basically 74% of the population carrying antibodies.
Even accounting for statistical errors, there's still a large proportion of people who didn't know they had it, and a load more who had it and recovered. All of them now carrying an immune response, all fought and won naturally with the most advanced disease fighting system in the universe.
So how much impact are these vaccines really having, and can Hat Mancock really steal the credit for winning the war against a disease, which had at least a year in the wild unencumbered, triggering immuno-responses in a vast section of the populace? |
Don't post statistical info about COVID.
I will take from that evidence anything and all that suits my agenda ____________________ Disclaimer: The comments above may be predicted text and not necessarily the opinion of MCN. |
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Can I just say. If I was 16, I would refuse to have the vaccine. Licenced or not.
On the basis that the vaccine would be more likely to cause me harm than the virus.
Also on the basis that as a 16 year old, I was considerably more selfish than I am today so it is highly unlikely I'd have been willing to expose myself to that vaccine in order to protect other people who couldn't be bothered having the vaccine themselves or to allow leather-skinned middle aged southerners to have a fortnight in Torremelinos. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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I think now that we have very effective vaccines, and considering the huge take-up so far (and still rising), it has become a matter of personal choice. You can be protected, so you've no reason to complain if others choose not to be. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | stinkwheel wrote: | Can I just say. If I was 16, I would refuse to have the vaccine. Licenced or not.
On the basis that the vaccine would be more likely to cause me harm than the virus. |
At what age would you decide, ok now’s the time? And on what evidence? |
My answer to that is, when the risk appears to be that it would be almost inevitable that I'd contract the disease. I don't feel that's the case for me. But that could depend on other things: am I going to be regularly in contact with lots of other people? If I got a job in a hospital for e.g., I'd most likely have it. But even then, with the way things are going, I'd be becoming less concerned, assuming the trend in reduction of the prevalence continues.
All I'll add to that is, thank God (turn of phrase, keep your knickers on) we've nearly got this thing behind us now ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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When it’s too late, you say? OK.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 2 years, 347 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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