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PostPosted: 11:23 - 31 Jul 2021    Post subject: Major Service - essential items Reply with quote

For the yearly service on the XSR I'm going to do the "major" 6000 mile one. I'm planning to buy a few service bits every month so I have them all come the winter. 90% is check this is tight, check that is lubricated* but there's a few things that seem like a lot of hassle and I'm a lazy bastard Smile

(1) Throttle body synchronisation - easy enough to do but the service manual states the fuel tank needs to come off** to get to the relevant vacuum pipes Sad

(2) Brake pipes - replace after 4 years?! Seems a little conservative. Obviously if there's any cracking or bulging they'd get changed.

(3) Bleeding the ABS - brake fluid's every 2 years. Assuming I don't get any air in the system is it worth worrying about the little bit of old fluid in the ABS unit? Cycling the ABS needs a half decent scan tool, there doesn't seem to be a hidden test mode for my bike.

Vital, irrelevant or just nice if it can be done?

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**On a modern bike that's half a dozen pipes and cables to disconnect.

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PostPosted: 14:09 - 31 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. You sure you can't do it with just lifted up?
2. Good excuse to replace with braided hoses Very Happy
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 31 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

The replace Fluid every year is purely due to brake fluids afinity for water its very Hydroscopic so can suck moisture from the air.
The water can corrode stuff and they say it means the brake fluid boiling point is lowered.

You still have brakes without ABS. There is still a 100% connection between master cylinder and callipers.
You just do not have sophisticated hydraulic modulators getting in the way of things.
So in affect you should be able to run fresh fluid through the system.
The diagnostic tool probably only keeps the ABS from interfering with the bleed.

It's a good time to deep-clean everything, dry it off and ACF-50 the bastirt. I did Belt and Braces on my like and slather it in Waxoil too. Just the critical areas.
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PostPosted: 14:27 - 31 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's also worth remembering that rubber brake lines can fail without any external signs of swelling or cracking. The inner can fail, crumble and block the pipe completely - I've had it happen. Braided lines don't suffer from this so If you are replacing them...
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PostPosted: 14:32 - 31 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:

So in affect you should be able to run fresh fluid through the system.
The diagnostic tool probably only keeps the ABS from interfering with the bleed.



Not correct. If the system is completely drained, the ABS has to be bled the only way to do that is via a diagnostics tool. Well, you can also brake hard enough to activate the ABS as well but which one is more sensible?
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PostPosted: 14:59 - 31 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Well, you can also brake hard enough to activate the ABS as well but which one is more sensible?


Loose gravel road, what could possibly go wrong!

The steel braid is tempting, bit expensive as an off the shelf kit but straightforward to make. Also feasible to run two lines down to the front rather that the OEM single + loop Thinking All starts adding up though...
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 31 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

1- Who cares unless you have symptoms suggesting its needed.

2 - Meh but if you do replace get braided, they'll outlive your ownership.

3 - Sucks to have ABS Laughing As long as the old isn't absoloutely honking I wouldn't worry about a small amount of contamination with old though.
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PostPosted: 18:22 - 31 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
MCN wrote:

So in affect you should be able to run fresh fluid through the system.
The diagnostic tool probably only keeps the ABS from interfering with the bleed.



Not correct. If the system is completely drained, the ABS has to be bled the only way to do that is via a diagnostics tool. Well, you can also brake hard enough to activate the ABS as well but which one is more sensible?


Who said drain the system?

Changing the fluid is pouring fresh fluid into the reservoir as you bleed it out the other end.
It is still flushing out the old fluid.
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 31 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islander wrote:
The inner can fail, crumble and block the pipe completely - I've had it happen. .


Been there too, on the car. I put a blank on the end of the pipe and just got around with three brakes for a while.

Cut the bugger open when I had the time to replace it (both sides), and there was no hole in it at all at all. Cool
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 31 Jul 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
The replace Fluid every year is purely due to brake fluids afinity for water its very Hydroscopic so can suck moisture from the air.
The water can corrode stuff and they say it means the brake fluid boiling point is lowered.


Hydraulic fluid is hygroscopic.
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