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Posted: 15:14 - 18 Nov 2021 Post subject: |
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Might get offers on during the winter months. No better time to learn either - learn in shit weather and you get to use someone else's bike on salty roads. Then it's summer time with a license ____________________ Module 1 and 2 passed - October 2014. Happy owner of a 2017 Z1000SX, ex owner of a YBR125 / CB500 / VFR800. |
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Posted: 08:42 - 20 Nov 2021 Post subject: Any comments on this bike? |
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Hi All,
I got in touch with my local riding school, the one that got me through the CBT, with a view to taking a DAS course, and was advised that a good first step may be a "taster" on a 600cc+ bike. Well they know better than I what is the best "next step" so I agreed to this, and booked for late on in January, the first date they had available.
I asked what bike I would be using and was told that it would be a Suzuki SV650. Can anyone with experience of this bike offer any advice on how it handles, things to be aware of etc? I have read the spec on on it and it seems, at first sight, to be quite appropriate for me. A reasonable ride height, a smidgeon lower my YS125, and fairly narrow, so I am not expecting it to feel uncomfortable to begin with.
I would welcome any comments that may help me on my way.
Thanks in advance,
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Posted: 17:21 - 27 Jan 2022 Post subject: Update following SV650 "Taster" |
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Hi All,
have just got back from my 650 taster session. Plans have changed somewhat. The taster went reasonably well, if one discounts the couple of times are dropped it, both at 0mph as a result of "You didn't stop in a straight line and get both feet down.".
As far as the bike went, it was a lowered SV650 so I was able to get on and off with no more difficulty than on my YS125. I didn't like the fact that, compared to my YS125 I had to put my feet more towards the back of the back of the bike to find the pegs and there was, I had to admit, way too much power for me, an octogenarian learner, to safely handle. The merest touch on the throttle resulted in a kick up the arse, swiftly followed by an "oh shit" and a rapid closing of the throttle and the resultant engine braking causing an equally violent deceleration. Result, I was going up the road in a series of jerks. I felt I had to feather the clutch to bring it under smooth control.
In summary, way too much power and way too much weight.
Discussion with my instructor yielded the proposition that I look for a low seated lighter bike, up to 47bhp and whatever engine size comes within the forthcoming regulations. Keep it at home and my instructor would come round to mine and take me out for some supervised practice, until such time as he is happy that I could go for the A2 test, with a view to gradually working my way up the scale.
Research is now needed to ascertain what make and model bike might be suitable. I'm fortunate enough to be able to own 2 bikes at once, having a double garage, but what would be the second? That's a major question.
If you have any ideas I would be pleased to hear them.
All the best, and happy, safe, biking.
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Posted: 17:41 - 27 Jan 2022 Post subject: |
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https://www.motorcyclenews.com/advice/best/a2-licence-motorbikes/
There's your list
I think the SV650 would rate at the perkier end of the range whereas the Dull but probably less threatening CB500 would be at the other.
Clutch control as well as throttle control. Allow it to behave like a switch and you'll get that behaviour.
I always found the SV riding position a little too 'racer' fir me. ____________________ Module 1 and 2 passed - October 2014. Happy owner of a 2017 Z1000SX, ex owner of a YBR125 / CB500 / VFR800.
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As said, it's because you're used to the on-off nature of a 125. The SV650 isn't a powerful bike by modern standards, but it's still got at least 6 times the power of your 125 and loads more torque.
You will get used to it fairly quickly. ____________________ TG. |
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When I did my DAS 2 years ago on a cb650r which is fairly similar in weight I found it very difficult to move about to the point where I was really worrying that I'd fail the pushing part. My brother did it with me and had to be put on a Suzuki Gladius (pretty much an SV but smaller I think).
Once I passed I decided to get a lighter 150kg bike (CCM 644) but a year later I got a SV650 and now I don't struggle pushing it around at all. I think it's partly because I'm used to heavier bikes now, but I did spend my lockdown doing weight training and went from 70kg to 85kg so that probably helped too
Getting your own bike just for training seems a bit strange though, I'd have thought a good school could teach you the proper throttle control and with a bit of practice the weight becomes manageable and one you are moving smoothly you really don't notice it at all.. It would have to be at least 600cc if you were to use it for the test too. |
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MT07 for my lessons & test, now I'm on its more refined brother, the XSR700 IIRC correctly feathering the clutch on the MT07 was a thing. I couldn't even tell you what I do with the XSR as it's reflexive now.
From person experience I'd recommend you take a look at the Honda Rebel, it's the bike I had before the XSR. It's a modern faux-cruiser, nice and low, A2 bike and Honda smoothness on the throttle. Personally I don't care for pegs over foot plates for a cruiser but you might like it.
<addendum> There's also the Vulcan. 650cc might sound a bit to big given your previous comments on the SV650 but mostly I hear criticism of the Vulcan's desperately unexciting engine which you might conversely consider a boon. ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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Hi Easy-X,
"Honda Rebel, it's the bike I had before the XSR. It's a modern faux-cruiser, nice and low, A2 bike and Honda smoothness on the throttle"
Yes, I fancied this after looking at the MCN recommended A2 bikes. It was the seat height that drew me to it, and I like the sound of the Honda smoothness on the throttle. Having said that the comparable Yamaha is 22Kg lighter. The pictures all had riders aboard, except the Honda, and they all looked as though the pegs were somewhat rearward, as is the SV650. I can't see from the Honda picture exactly where the pegs are, but it looks as though they may be further forward. More to my taste as I don't want to have to emulate the MotoGP or WSB riders by leaning forward with my weight on the handlebars. I'm going to have to shop around and sit on a few bikes!
Cheers mate
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Tony Norton, this link contains a tool that you will probably find useful for estimating knee bend and riding posture.
https://cycle-ergo.com/
I have a YBR125, which is the direct predecessor to your YS125. When I got it, I noticed the footpeg position is significantly forward compared to most bikes (cruisers excepted). I'd guess that you've become accustomed to a bike that has ergos a bit outside the norm.
You might check out a Honda CB500F. I have ridden one and found the knee bend to be quite comfortable. Don't make assumptions of power and performance solely on engine size. The CB500F is very controllable and intuitive, no snatchiness in the throttle control, to my recollection. ____________________ History shows again and again how nature points out the folly of men - BOC |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 2 years, 86 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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