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PostPosted: 10:57 - 08 Oct 2023    Post subject: This centuries Yom Kippur War kicked off late Reply with quote

Palestinian Terrorists launch another futile death and destruction campaign against Israel.

The leaders don't suffer. The people do.
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PostPosted: 11:33 - 08 Oct 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could it be a clever time to try it on with the USA embroiled in the Ukraine conflict? Especially if they are under orders from their masters in Iran or wherever.

Whatever happens though, I expect Israel to go full on war footing and bomb them back to the dark ages. Or should I say a darker age to what they are in now.
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PostPosted: 12:20 - 08 Oct 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two things from the rumour-mills: was the security at the border deliberately left lax, almost to tempt Hamas to do something stupid. The other one going about is that this war is funded by Biden - both sides. Obviously there's a lot of American tech floating about in Israel but then there's the large chunks of cash handed to Iran recently for hostages. (Iran are Hamas' main supporters.)

The latter's obviously one of those party political moves but the former? Be interesting to see who the Israelis scapegoat for the intelligence and security failings.
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 08 Oct 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

My two shekels worth.

The Israel was historically populated by semite folks. Predominant religion would have been Hebrewish from Moses and Abraham. I think 5 centuries before Jesus was an influencer of the region.

The Arabs under the guise of Islam kicked the Jews oot and ruled until the Europeans established the olde Testament status quo.
The turks moved in and displaced every cunt.
Until the Europeans slapped them back to the stone age. 1800s.

Then after Hitler et al caused a world shit-fite, the British (winners of World Wars) were charged with setling the European Jews in what was their real homeland.

The Arabs agreed (Palestinians). Maybe promises were made. I wasn't there.

Then Israel began flexing into desert zones.
This made Syria unhappy and the Gypos helped to put down the Israelis.
Israel flattened Syria, Egypt and Some other shower within 7 days.

It's been hot spot since moses was the Ring Master.

The Jews have been treated badly since history began.

They were given the use of lands in Europe but were not allowed to own any land or property there.
That didn't help quell any unrest among the Jews.

As Polarbear suggests, Israel will turn the Palestine to glass.
And anyone willing or stupid enough to chime in, will meet an equal fate.


The people eho promoted today's atrocities either do not care about the lives of their own people that will be wrecked or ended by Israeli counterstrike/s.
Or they are over enthusiastic about their chances of making thi gs better for their people.

I'm all for vitrification as was the passion in Biblical Times. e.g. Lot's Mrs.
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PostPosted: 15:11 - 08 Oct 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
that this war is funded by Biden

Trump 2024?
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 08 Oct 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Could it be a clever time to try it on with the USA embroiled in the Ukraine conflict?

Hand I was recently assured by the military experts of BCF, that Ukraine would have no bearing on The West's ability or appetite to get involved in another conflict...

Britain has 'run out of arms to send to Ukraine'

The Pentagon warns Congress it is running low on money to replace weapons sent to Ukraine

Polarbear wrote:
Whatever happens though, I expect Israel to go full on war footing and bomb them back to the dark ages. Or should I say a darker age to what they are in now.

Easy-X wrote:
Two things from the rumour-mills: was the security at the border deliberately left lax, almost to tempt Hamas to do something stupid.

The latter's obviously one of those party political moves but the former? Be interesting to see who the Israelis scapegoat for the intelligence and security failings.

It's interesting seeing how much criticism Israel has been getting recently for their military operations in Palestine: UN condemns Israel’s use of excessive force in attack on Palestine

Dropping security and/or ignoring security warnings to make them more of a threat would help in that regards (it has already). The bulldozer going through the border fence and bond villain-esque microlights looked really amateur.

Alternatively it could be someone wanting to make Netanyahu look weak.
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PostPosted: 18:44 - 08 Oct 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:

Hand I was recently assured by the military experts of BCF, that Ukraine would have no bearing on The West's ability or appetite to get involved in another conflict...



Citation please.
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PostPosted: 19:32 - 08 Oct 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's quite normal for cuntries to blaw about how much ammo they don't have and that they're skint.

War strategies are many and varied and won or lost with or without propaganda.

The same pundits reckoned that rooshia would be out of 30mm bullets fir their howitzers soon.

No body knows really until the dust settles.
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 08 Oct 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ammo and explosives also has a shelf life.
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PostPosted: 19:54 - 08 Oct 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's interesting seeing how much criticism Israel has been getting recently for their military operations in Palestine: UN condemns Israel’s use of excessive force in attack on Palestine



When have Israel ever given a flying fcuk about any criticism dished out to them.

They are more the 'no body loves me, everybody hates me' than Millwall and revel in it.
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 08 Oct 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Ammo and explosives also has a shelf life.


Bullets don't go off (see what I did there) in the same way as the Best Before Date on your cheese it's a matter of consistency. If the military specification for a round is "kill a rag-head up to a thousand yards" then an aged round might only manage 800... or even 1200! But that's not good either as overpressure leads to excessive wear in the gun.
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PostPosted: 20:53 - 08 Oct 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Ammo and explosives also has a shelf life.


Bullets don't go off (see what I did there) in the same way as the Best Before Date on your cheese it's a matter of consistency. If the military specification for a round is "kill a rag-head up to a thousand yards" then an aged round might only manage 800... or even 1200! But that's not good either as overpressure leads to excessive wear in the gun.


Cheese Doesn't go off. In order to become cheese it's already gone off.

Rounds (not bullets) have a shelf life after which their performance becomes unreliable.

Do you really want a sniper to discover that the round they are firing is only able to cover half the distance to the target whilst still identifying your position?
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 08 Oct 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Round em up put em in a field and bomb the bastards' Kenny Everett

One day, hopefully sooner than later, religion and shit that happened many a moon ago will be bred out. People will wonder why the hell they want to kill other humans in the first place.
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PostPosted: 22:27 - 08 Oct 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

struan80 wrote:
'People will wonder why the hell they want to kill other there were humans in the first place.


FTFY Wink
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PostPosted: 22:49 - 08 Oct 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:


Rounds (not bullets) have a shelf life after which their performance becomes unreliable.



Nonsense, when stored correctly modern smokeless ammunition will last indefinitely.

l have over 20,000 rounds of various calibers in temperature and humidity-controlled storage. Most are Soviet and Nato surplus from the 70`s though some of my collection dates back to WW1 and shoots perfectly.
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 08 Oct 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
Two things from the rumour-mills: was the security at the border deliberately left lax, almost to tempt Hamas to do something stupid. The other one going about is that this war is funded by Biden - both sides. Obviously there's a lot of American tech floating about in Israel


On that - the Yanks are moving an aircraft carrier to the region tonight. Seems overkill for an already imprisoned Gaza population. However, they'll also be in range of both Syria and Iran. Using this as a pretext perhaps.
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PostPosted: 10:29 - 09 Oct 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hamas has launched an invasion so Israel can legitimately retaliate with a full scale invasion of Gaza and even all the Palestinian areas as Hamas basically rules not just Gaza but is the majority elected power in Palestine. So Israel invade, take over and take the territory to do with whatever they want. That's when things become really complicated. Absorb Palestine? Puppet government? Certainly kill practically the entire Hamas commanding hierarchy, if any are stupid enough to stick around.
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PostPosted: 12:10 - 09 Oct 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nonsense, when stored correctly modern smokeless ammunition will last indefinitely.


Ask the Russians about "storing correctly" Wink
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 09 Oct 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking more like a big time hostage snatch operation. Big demands incoming, release all Palestinian prisoners will the first demands then supplies for Gaza then maybe even land. Depends how much stomach the Israelis have for seeing hostages killed. It will probably all be very nasty isis style beheadings.
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PostPosted: 18:35 - 09 Oct 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Petrol prices will be going up? How awful.
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PostPosted: 18:39 - 09 Oct 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most likely getting this event planned was on the agenda when Russia and Iran had their special meetings a few weeks ago.
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 09 Oct 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:


Rounds (not bullets) have a shelf life after which their performance becomes unreliable.



No it wont. Modern ammo (small arms) brass cased FMJ stored correctly wont go "off"...at least not for a very long time.
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 09 Oct 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nute wrote:
Nobby the Bastard wrote:


Rounds (not bullets) have a shelf life after which their performance becomes unreliable.



No it wont. Modern ammo (small arms) brass cased FMJ stored correctly wont go "off"...at least not for a very long time.


Your typical army is a lot more risk adverse that their weapons won't work than your average hobbyist....


https://www.gov.uk/government/news/dealing-with-redundant-ammunition-in-afghanistan
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 09 Oct 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try Chapter 11 Para 13 onwards...

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7b683bed915d3ed906430c/C11_Edt4_FINAL.pdf
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 09 Oct 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

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