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PostPosted: 19:41 - 22 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sorry my original post was a little incoherent but it was late - tired and emotional and all that Smile

I think I was just staggered that it was a big twin and the general form for big twins is Harleys Shocked But yes, the re-use of engines and shoe-horning them in everywhere, the "new" R7 mentioned seems the most inappropriate.

I wonder if this is a winding down of imagination given the manufacturers are all going hybrid/electric Sad
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V2 and V4 cost and space and weight negative aspects made VT750S ->Rebel500 sell well. VT750S didn't sell well. They even made VT400S but it was too heavy. With para twin Rebel could be much lighter and compacter than VT and they are selling well. Marketing win.
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PostPosted: 06:32 - 23 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
Easy-X wrote:
I wonder if this is a winding down of imagination given the manufacturers are all going hybrid/electric Sad


Also, because of demographic changes to the bike market (in Europe). Old men don't find sportier ergos as enticing, etc.

But that shouldn't apply so readily to the US market where it seems that you can still get a bike license by being able to breathe. However, US = cruisers predominantly. So even there, no huge demand for e.g. il4.
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PostPosted: 06:34 - 23 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
MarJay wrote:
trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:
I feel like I said that in one sentence.


Thanks for your contribution.


That's far more concise. It was though your brain had been nicked by Teffers for a second back there.
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PostPosted: 08:53 - 23 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
[quote="trevor saxe-coburg-gotha"]
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Also, because of demographic changes to the bike market (in Europe). Old men don't find sportier ergos as enticing, etc.


This must be relevant.. I also wonder how many owners use all the capabilities or even a fraction of their sports bikes.
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PostPosted: 11:34 - 23 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
Having looked at the specs, I'm totally underwhelmed. Honda have created a bike with similar power and weight to a 1990s1200 Bandit but without the refinement or bottom end torque (I've experienced this engine in the Africa Twin).

Honda had the chance to move the game on and fluffed it.

In 2021 this bike should be at least 40kg lighter and 30% cheaper.

The competition is.
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PostPosted: 15:04 - 23 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
Easy-X wrote:

I wonder if this is a winding down of imagination given the manufacturers are all going hybrid/electric Sad

There's going to be an element of that I reckon. Western countries have all but committed to going entirely electric in 15 years from now, and the far eastern countries large appetite for bikes is generally for lower capacity machines, 650cc and less. Why spend the R&D budget on a brand new engine if you're going to have to throw it all away in a few years?
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 27 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
Honda NT1100: accountant designed abomination.

Why would you have one of them when you could have the new Suzuki GSX-S 1000GT for less money?
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 28 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
There was a scoop of Honda Hawk 1100 (bottom left small pic)
Honda will use this 1100 twin for everything Shocked
https://i.imgur.com/NYcSaCl.jpg
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 19 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
Larger Hawk 1100 scoop picture came out.
https://young-machine.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/ym2112-034-honda-hawk1100-imagecg-01.jpg?v=1637136315

Air cooled IL4 CB1100 dropped from Honda line up.
This model seems to be the successor of CB1100.
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PostPosted: 16:42 - 19 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
kawashima wrote:
Larger Hawk 1100 scoop picture came out.

Air cooled IL4 CB1100 dropped from Honda line up.
This model seems to be the successor of CB1100.


I must say, i do like the looks of that, much more retro than the CB1100 too
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 19 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
Fucking 1100 parallel twin in a big streetbike? What a load of horseshit.
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 19 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
redeem ouzzer wrote:
Fucking 1100 parallel twin in a big streetbike? What a load of horseshit.


Tell us what you think of it though Laughing
Gotta admit, I'm totally underwhelmed at the thought of it too. But I'm sure it'll appeal to some, and if it's a big enough segment of the market, why not?
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PostPosted: 18:35 - 19 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
rpsmith79 wrote:
kawashima wrote:
Larger Hawk 1100 scoop picture came out.

Air cooled IL4 CB1100 dropped from Honda line up.
This model seems to be the successor of CB1100.


I must say, i do like the looks of that, much more retro than the CB1100 too


That's styled after the 70s Dreams. I quite like it - not that I'll be buying one but still...
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 19 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
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That's styled after the 70s Dreams.


Please consider the easily frightened among us before speaking of such things!
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PostPosted: 18:49 - 19 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
chickenstrip wrote:
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That's styled after the 70s Dreams.


Please consider the easily frightened among us before speaking of such things!


I had a 400 Razz

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C69TOS0XEAISZTy?format=jpg&name=medium

Not mine BTW although it was identical.
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PostPosted: 20:29 - 19 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
Islander wrote:


I had a 400 Razz


It explains a lot Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 19 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
chickenstrip wrote:
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I had a 400 Razz


It explains a lot Laughing


I was young and it did handle rather nicely as the well-chamfered footpegs and centre stand showed. Laughing
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I was young and it did handle rather nicely as the well-chamfered footpegs and centre stand showed. Laughing


I think in those days footpegs and centre stands were designed in such a way as to prevent you from finding out how bad the handling really was Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:38 - 20 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
chickenstrip wrote:
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I was young and it did handle rather nicely as the well-chamfered footpegs and centre stand showed. Laughing


I think in those days footpegs and centre stands were designed in such a way as to prevent you from finding out how bad the handling really was Laughing


I'd accept that except for the fact that Kawasaki's KH strokers didn't attempt to hide their appalling handling. I had a real struggle to get the pegs down on one of those. Laughing

For the time the Honda's handling was exceptional especially with TT100s fitted. Having the engine as a frame member probably helped a lot.

Ah to be young and stupid fearless. Laughing
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kawashima wrote:
Larger Hawk 1100 scoop picture came out.
https://young-machine.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/ym2112-034-honda-hawk1100-imagecg-01.jpg?v=1637136315

Air cooled IL4 CB1100 dropped from Honda line up.
This model seems to be the successor of CB1100.


Not offensive looking but why do all these ridiculous high capacity retro nakeds exist? is it just so the open-face wanker-beards can make a lot of noise (once the inevitable megaphones have been fitted) as they exit the Bike-shed cafe? In terms of getting from A-B the old 400 would have been perfect
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As an open-faced-wanker-beard myself, with a classically styled large twin, it's because they look nice and and you can be lazy riding them.
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redeem ouzzer wrote:
Fucking 1100 parallel twin in a big streetbike? What a load of horseshit.


*cough* Triump Speed Twin *cough*
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 20 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote
kawashima wrote:
Larger Hawk 1100 scoop picture came out.
https://young-machine.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/ym2112-034-honda-hawk1100-imagecg-01.jpg?v=1637136315

Air cooled IL4 CB1100 dropped from Honda line up.
This model seems to be the successor of CB1100.


The transition from old-skool looks to a modern water-cooled twin is a bit jarring for my money. The alternative would have been the neo-retro direction of the Z650rs or my XSR Smile
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A100man wrote:
In terms of getting from A-B the old 400 would have been perfect


Motorcycles? For getting from A-B? Daft!
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