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PostPosted: 22:34 - 28 Oct 2021    Post subject: Non running puzzle? Reply with quote

So Project Scrappy Hyosung 125 is still ongoing .

So the problem is to do with it not continuing to run after being started?
New valves, new guides, new cam-chains & guides/tensioners, new carb rubbers, new plugs , good compression, fuel, spark,etc.

The engine will start and sounds good (quiet & no unusual rattles).
It will run for about a minute or two and then just cuts out????

Any ideas oh mighty and wise BCF.
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 28 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vacuum in the fuel tank from a blocked vent? Will it run with the filler cap open?
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 28 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fuel pump? I recently snipped the fuel pump wire on the carb’d ZX6R without realising (I was trimming a cable tie) and it did the same.
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 28 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

xX-Alex-Xx wrote:
Vacuum in the fuel tank from a blocked vent? Will it run with the filler cap open?

Hmm? I did think of that , however it still does it even from a remote tank.

I did also suspect possibly maybe might be a cruddy manky fuel tap?
However it still does it even with a remote tank.
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PostPosted: 22:52 - 28 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Fuel pump? I recently snipped the fuel pump wire on the carb’d ZX6R without realising (I was trimming a cable tie) and it did the same.


Hmmm? Interesting, something to look at and think about.
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PostPosted: 22:58 - 28 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fck fckity fcky !
I’ve just found one issue that might not be helping the situation!

The choke cable and choke handlebar lever are missing Doh! Doh! Doh! Doh!
The bike has no choke to start from cold.
This might not be the problem, but it might be a contributing factor.
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PostPosted: 23:44 - 28 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it will start from cold I doubt its the choke cable

As you assume we're all intimately familiar with the Gt125 and dont
bother adding a feckin pic, I had to look it up.

anyway seeing the layout and given the symptoms, the answer is pretty obvious I reckon

here's a pic
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PostPosted: 01:27 - 29 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sticking floats/needle valves? After it's conked out, try cracking the float bowl drains to see if there's fuel in them.

I had similar on a KLE500 and it turned out to be ethanol damage on the needles causing therm to go furry and stick in their seats. The float bowls were filling but only very slowly. Fixed by replacing them with modern viton tipped needles.
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PostPosted: 09:15 - 29 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

How many years have you been working on this bike? Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:41 - 29 Oct 2021    Post subject: T Reply with quote

Does it loose spark, this is when those red neon plug caps come in so handy...

If it does loose spark, why ?

A dmm will now come in handy along with a wiring diagram...
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PostPosted: 09:55 - 29 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

blurredman wrote:
How many years have you been working on this bike? Laughing

For a long time! And probably a lot longer Thumbs Up .

It’s not worked on every day.

Engine first, then everything else will fall into place a lot easier (I hope)
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 29 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:


As you assume we're all intimately familiar with the Gt125 and dont
bother adding a feckin pic, I had to look it up.


My apologies far wasting your time.
It’s a little twin carbed v-twin engine.

My most profound apologies for not putting up pictures, I was just asking for some ideas.
Not to clever at putting up pictures, I struggle a bit, not the most tech savvy.

EDIT: found one Thumbs Up

https://i.postimg.cc/3k3n2R9N/67-C51437-6-AFF-44-A4-B947-9-DC0388-D48-D0.jpg

It’s the one on the left. Wink Smile
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PostPosted: 10:05 - 29 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Assuming it's carbed, it's running for about the time a bike will run on what's in the float bowls. So do what Stinkwheel said.
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PostPosted: 10:09 - 29 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's running okay when cold but without the choke cable connected, then perhaps it's running rich? What do the sparkies look like?
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PostPosted: 10:09 - 29 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:
Assuming it's carbed, it's running for about the time a bike will run on what's in the float bowls. So do what Stinkwheel said.

Agreed Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:47 - 29 Oct 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

TLDR.

Choke thing is a thing.

If it starts, runs and stops, then that is zakly what a choke would do.

Too rich mixture will stall the engine.
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 01 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

xX-Alex-Xx wrote:
Vacuum in the fuel tank from a blocked vent? Will it run with the filler cap open?


I think this is the most likely explanation. When you put the tank back in place you've probably misrouted the breather hoses under the tank and nipped them causing a vacuum in the tank.

Easy way to test is open the tank after it stalls, if you hear an inrush of air, theres your issue. See if it runs ok with the cap open.
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PostPosted: 22:39 - 03 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fuck me ragged. You posted something about bikes.
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PostPosted: 00:43 - 04 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Fuck me ragged. You posted something about bikes.


However he didn't read through the thread before posting.

pepperami wrote:
I did also suspect possibly maybe might be a cruddy manky fuel tap?
However it still does it even with a remote tank.

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PostPosted: 16:23 - 04 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cable Tie wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:


However he didn't read through the thread before posting.

pepperami wrote:
I did also suspect possibly maybe might be a cruddy manky fuel tap?
However it still does it even with a remote tank.


Even a remote tank won't rule out a blocked filter in the carb fuel inlet, which many bikes have. Worth a check.

If not, then it will be the part of my post, you conveniently ignored

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Sounds like fuel starvation.

Pull the petrol line off the carb and check the flow. Is it a dribble or a flow?
If the fuel tap is vacuum operated (has a second thinner hose going to the carb or inlet manifold), take it off carb end and suck on it to create fuel flow.

Sounds like if left it fills the float bowl, then can’t refill it fast enough to meet demand. If tap flow to carb is good, probably time to take the carb float bowl off and clean out the carb.


have you chosen an irrelevant point to pull apart and bitch about?

Cable Tie wrote:

then pointless side comments are pulled apart and even lies are made up to bitch about and try to prove wrong.

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PostPosted: 16:43 - 04 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cable Tie wrote:


Even a remote tank won't rule out a blocked filter in the carb fuel inlet, which many bikes have. Worth a check.


Must say the only motorcycle carb I've ever seen one on is an Amal and those usually get shitcanned early doors.
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PostPosted: 21:06 - 04 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had some poor running on the Kwacker. Pulled the fuel lines and eyeballed the flow from the pipes. All looked good Thinking

In the end we dropped the bowls with the the carbs in place. One carb had a lot more flow pissing out than its partner and it turned out one of the T-pieces from the fuel pipe was blocked on one side.
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