2030 The death of personal vehicular transport?

[Ribenapigeon]

With the impending ban on sales of new internal combustion engine vehicles in 2030 is ownership of personal vehicles over for most of us? By most of us i mean those on less than median income, is having a car or a bike going to become the preserve of only those with affluence?

[Polarbear]

[stinkwheel]

Nah. It's already moving to a more communal ownership of vehicles in urban areas anyway. I have a few mates in Edinburgh who no longer keep their own vehicle. They use car club apps and hire one, even by the hour, when they need one.

Even my father in law does this, he rents a car when he has longer journeys to do and reckons it works out cheaper than keeping and maintaining one.

Again, I reckon they're planning to move the mains gas network over to hydrogen at some point in the future (new gas boilers on a grant have to be hydrogen adaptable) which then gives a re-fueling infrastructure for zero emission vehicles. They are working on hydrogen ICEs, which have the potential to be pretty awesome in terms of performace, I could see them making small capacity, high compression motors that go like an early 90's 250 four.

How the hydrogen is produced is the subject of another debate.
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[MarJay]

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[Polarbear]

To create electricity it takes more energy than the amount you get from the electricity. It's the norm with all energy changes. The main criteria for producing power a certain way can be many things, cost, efficiency and now ecology.

I don't see any reason not to think hydrogen has any less potential than any other form of energy purely driven by the climate change criteia.
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[MarJay]

[Ribenapigeon]

Theres lots of discussion on the future technology issues but im wondering about the social issues of a large section of society being thrown back in time to the days when a car and even a motorcycle was the preserve of the more affluent.

[MarJay]

[stinkwheel]

[Polarbear]

[Ribenapigeon]

[Polarbear]

MK council put a survey out asking what people wanted to make them stop using cars. The winning suggestion by a mile was a comprehensive walk on walk off tram system.

When the council started talking about implementing what was aksed they totally ignored the tram and went on about improving the buses which are utter utter sh1t by the way.

Funny that when MK development coorperation were in charge of setting up the city back in the 70's and 80's a tram system was part of their plans. When the council was formed to take over from them it was dropped like a hot potatoe.
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[MarJay]

[Bhud]

THIS is the shit:

https://www.prometheusfuels.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6iQlkUXUsE

It's already viable for passenger aircraft.

[stinkwheel]

People designing public transport systems get caught up in minutiae and forget that for people to use them it needs to be at least one, (preferably two) of the following: 1) Quicker. 2) Cheaper. 3) More convenient. Than taking your car.

Most systems don't even tick one of the boxes and many only tick the third box because local government has spent all their time and effort making the car less convenient rather than the public transport more convenient.

The Edinburgh trams were a classic case. The boss of one of the large Edinburgh bus companies went on record saying for what they spent on the trams, he could have made his entire bus service free. Forever. Now THAT would have been an innovative public transport strategy and at no more cost than the white elephant they already built (most people I know won't use one on general principal given the truly horrific amount of public money that was squandered on it).
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“Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles.

[TbirdX]

There is a model that suggests private vehicle ownership will largely cease.

Google, Tesla, Amazon, Uber, The Government will own all the cars. Citizens pay a 'tax' and download the app and when you want to go somewhere you summon a driverless car and it turns up. You get in, get driven to your destination and get out. The car goes off to its next job, or charger or whatever. Repeat to fade.
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[MCN]

Inertia Storage (not flywheel/turbine) charged by solar, wind geothermal, ground/air source.
You have a tower with a fuk-off counterweight inside it.
When the sun shines/wind blows and your house is not using the power, a motor drives a mechanism to hoist the fuk-off counterweight up the tower.
When the fuk-off counterweight is released it drives the motor in reverse to make electricity.
Or a shaft in the back garden could work as well. (No pun)

Probably no one has invented that system yet.

As hydrocarbons become less eco-friendly it will become increasingly difficult to buy the stuff.

Wood gas generation would address that though. (If there are any trees left.)
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