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adam277
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PostPosted: 04:35 - 30 Nov 2021    Post subject: Security for bike. Reply with quote

So as I am getting a R1200GS I want to make it secure as possible being left outside.

I plan on getting two ground anchors and setting them in concrete.
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/~IoAAOSwxAtghcjr/s-l1600.jpg One for the rear of the bike one for the front.

This will be flush with the concrete so there is no chance of them breaking these (or the time it would take to break it would not be worth it).

I will also be getting a alarmed disc lock. (I know how easy these break) it's mainly a deterrent.)
I choose a oxford Alpha XA14 with 14mm pin.
https://www.oxfordproducts.com/graphics_cache/b/1/16384-lk217_1-1-3-1000.jpg
I know oxford are not the most popular on here but it seems like a pretty solid choice for the price.

I might also stick a gps tracker Sticker on the bike as well. (I don't plan to put a tracker on the bike yet but maybe it will be another deterrent?) your thoughts on if its worth it.

What I need to choose now is two good motorcycle chains. So any suggestions would be great.
Also a motorcycle cover that can fit a R1200GSA.


I am also thinking of getting a motion sensor floodlight for the front of the drive. (I got one for the porch). Maybe a camera as well. Actually, we already have a decretive camera fitted (does not work). Dunno if it would be worth it to actually get a working one.



I do understand that if the fuckers want the bike they will find a way to get it. But I'll be damned if I'm gonna make it easy for them.
The way I see it is. If they have to cut two chains and a disc lock. that is a solid 15minutes of work and a lot of noise. Also, it would mean the only people who would target it would be a pro bike thief and not the local yobbos.
Plus I have a two car drive. When I park the cars at night I can make it impossible for the motorbike to be pushed between them. So they would either have to break into the car and release the handbrake or try to lift a R1200GSA which weighs 250kg over a 3ft fence.


I'm doing all this because I probably will not drive it for a month or two. And I just measured my doorway and my previous plan of just pushing it through the house and storing it in the garden is not going to work. The bike is too fucking wide lol.
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PostPosted: 09:18 - 30 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two ground anchors is a bit OTT unless you're going to thread a separate chain through each (as otherwise if a single chain, they'll just cut the chain). That anchor looks a bit lightweight to me? I'd go for something very heavyweight, and get a massoosive chain. It'll weigh a ton and cost a bomb, but if security deterrents work you'll never need to replace it in theory.

Budget on spending £1k on security measures if you want to do it properly. Yes, it's expensive, but it's cheaper and less hassle than a nicked bike (caveat: no guarantees of course, but it makes is much less likely).

A GS is less likely to be pinched by the local scrotes, especially if guarded with heavy security, but a pro bike thief will still have it away if they want it.

It's all about layers; chains, ground anchors, disc locks, steering lock, cover, PIR, cameras etc.. anything you can do to inconvenience a thief will make it less attractive. The value of the bike remains unchanged, so it's all about the value:hassle ratio, increase the hassle until it's not worth going for anymore.
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 30 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Layers and different sorts.

Ground anchor and disc lock slow down the attackers. The weak point with a ground anchor is a chain. Chain and disc lock can be taken out in under a minute with an angle grinder.

Tracker is well worth it to have a hope of catching the thieves. It increases the chance of a professional outfit being caught with multiple stolen bikes. Again, there are ways of blocking or jamming the signal, but not every thief is that competent.

CCTV is good to see if someone has been nosing around, recognising people, and having an exact time and date. If it's near your front door then a video doorbell from google or amazon is the way to go.

Finally, insurance where you can afford to claim.
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 30 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThunderGuts wrote:
Two ground anchors is a bit OTT unless you're going to thread a separate chain through each (as otherwise if a single chain, they'll just cut the chain). That anchor looks a bit lightweight to me? I'd go for something very heavyweight, and get a massoosive chain. It'll weigh a ton and cost a bomb, but if security deterrents work you'll never need to replace it in theory.


Yea, I plan on getting two seperate chains.
One for the front of the bike and one for the back.
And the alarmed disc brake.
So ye, they could get the bike but its gonna be noisy.

As for the ground anchor looking a bit lightweight.
This is what it looks like once in the ground.
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f4/e4/cd/f4e4cd8a12373c448b9c3c8c8d73cb2b.jpg

There is no way they are breaking that. far easier to cut the chain with an angle grinder.
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PostPosted: 10:52 - 30 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you got a link for that ground anchor? On face value it looks like mild steel (but it might not be of course). Wondering as well if it'd accept the larger links of a heavy duty chain as some ground anchors are evidently designed for small chains.
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 30 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/353471104038

Your correct it is mild steel. My thinking was as it is going to be buried in the ground it really does not matter that much.
I do have a concern about the size of the chain it can take though.

https://www.argos.co.uk/product/8970747?clickSR=slp:term:ground%20anchor:1:15:1

As I would very much like to get this
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/154490262261?epid=22037385905&hash=item23f85652f5:g:enYAAOSw-81hpRyT
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 30 Nov 2021    Post subject: Re: Security for bike. Reply with quote

adam277 wrote:
So as I am getting a R1200GS.. which weighs 250kg over a 3ft fence.


so there is a benefit Wink
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 30 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

adam277 wrote:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/353471104038

Your correct it is mild steel. My thinking was as it is going to be buried in the ground it really does not matter that much.
I do have a concern about the size of the chain it can take though.

https://www.argos.co.uk/product/8970747?clickSR=slp:term:ground%20anchor:1:15:1

As I would very much like to get this
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/154490262261?epid=22037385905&hash=item23f85652f5:g:enYAAOSw-81hpRyT


I think with something of that price point you're going to have a compromise somewhere; it's a very low-end anchor for a high end bike! It will probably be easy to cut with an angle grinder, might also be vulnerable to impact attack.

Expect to pay £150 minimum for a decent anchor, £300 for a decent chain etc.. - they're not cheap, but they are worth it.
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 30 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

One other thought; you mentioned about "getting" a 1200GS; is this set in stone? The other option (for out-of-the-box thinking) is a narrower bike you can get into your garden, although do consider the boundaries of your garden and how secure they are - if just wooden fences it wouldn't take much to flatten one if the neighbour has a clear access out of their garden!

Second other thought: I know these are hard to get hold of right now, but how about a secure storage container? They can be a bit fugly and you will still want an anchor and chain inside, but they will at least provide some weather protection as well as security.
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 30 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThunderGuts wrote:
adam277 wrote:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/353471104038

Your correct it is mild steel. My thinking was as it is going to be buried in the ground it really does not matter that much.
I do have a concern about the size of the chain it can take though.

https://www.argos.co.uk/product/8970747?clickSR=slp:term:ground%20anchor:1:15:1

As I would very much like to get this
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/154490262261?epid=22037385905&hash=item23f85652f5:g:enYAAOSw-81hpRyT


I think with something of that price point you're going to have a compromise somewhere; it's a very low-end anchor for a high end bike! It will probably be easy to cut with an angle grinder, might also be vulnerable to impact attack.

Expect to pay £150 minimum for a decent anchor, £300 for a decent chain etc.. - they're not cheap, but they are worth it.


How will you go about cutting this ground anchor with an angle grinder?
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f4/e4/cd/f4e4cd8a12373c448b9c3c8c8d73cb2b.jpg
its literally a hole in the ground.
If they was going to angle grind anything surely they would target the chain?
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PostPosted: 12:21 - 30 Nov 2021    Post subject: Re: Security for bike. Reply with quote

A100man wrote:
adam277 wrote:
So as I am getting a R1200GS.. which weighs 250kg over a 3ft fence.


so there is a benefit Wink


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PostPosted: 12:52 - 30 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably depends on the tools (I hadn't appreciated it is completely embedded) but even so that doesn't look that difficult to attack the centre section? Granted it might be a Stihl saw rather than an angle grinder (for the former you can get blades that'd go through reinforced concrete, so would deal with mortar infill and the steel).

I think the size issue is relevant though; at 70mm (external?) you're going to struggle to get anything decent through it. I would guess you'd need around 100-120mm to get a 16mm+ chain through.

My other concern would be that style of anchor allows the chain to rest on the ground; vulnerable to a sledgehammer attack (unless you can position the bike directly over it and have the chain relatively taut so it can't rest on the ground, e.g. through the frame somehow).

All that said, that style of anchor with a very hefty cable combined with another style with a heavy duty chain would make for very different challenges for a prospective thief.
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 30 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

adam277 wrote:
How will you go about cutting this ground anchor with an angle grinder?


I'm definitely not an expert on the capabilities of angle grinders, but I'd assume, like this? -
https://i.imgur.com/4ZrqOta.jpg

Cut out the "middle triangle" and remove? No idea if that would be easier than cutting the chain though.
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 30 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zen Dog wrote:
adam277 wrote:
How will you go about cutting this ground anchor with an angle grinder?


I'm definitely not an expert on the capabilities of angle grinders, but I'd assume, like this? -
https://i.imgur.com/4ZrqOta.jpg

Cut out the "middle triangle" and remove? No idea if that would be easier than cutting the chain though.


But then you still have to cut the chain.. so it''s another layer. TBF it doesn't look that bad an idea... although it might get full of crap depending on your driveway construction.
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 30 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zen Dog wrote:
adam277 wrote:
How will you go about cutting this ground anchor with an angle grinder?


I'm definitely not an expert on the capabilities of angle grinders, but I'd assume, like this? -
https://i.imgur.com/4ZrqOta.jpg

Cut out the "middle triangle" and remove? No idea if that would be easier than cutting the chain though.


ah a fellow artist.
although my MS Paint skills are far more superior.

https://imgur.com/a/AOBX1Ve
https://i.imgur.com/ArNUpZ7.jpeg

The light pink is concrete.
So by cutting out that all they are doing is cutting out the concrete that filled the Y-Shaped cavity.
They still then have to cut the ground anchor itself.
Unless I am missing something?

It seems like it would be far faster just to cut the chain. Which they will still have to deal with even if the ground anchor is cut.

I'd also be using pebbledashing the concrete. Which will make using an angel grinder a serious pain. (It chews up discs).
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 30 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Faster to remove the wheel and put a creeper underneath the bike to move it at that rate.
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 30 Nov 2021    Post subject: Re: Security for bike. Reply with quote

adam277 wrote:
I plan on getting two ground anchors and setting them in concrete.
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/~IoAAOSwxAtghcjr/s-l1600.jpg One for the rear of the bike one for the front.

...

I will also be getting a alarmed disc lock.

I might also stick a gps tracker Sticker on the bike as well. (I don't plan to put a tracker on the bike yet but maybe it will be another deterrent?) your thoughts on if its worth it.

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I am also thinking of getting a motion sensor floodlight for the front of the drive. (I got one for the porch). Maybe a camera as well.

That's a lot of security, do you live in the ghetto?

If I wanted to steal your bike then I'd let you unlock both the chains, remove the disc lock, wheel it past the cctv and move both the cars out the way before relieving you of your bike.

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PostPosted: 14:06 - 30 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

adam277 wrote:

So by cutting out that all they are doing is cutting out the concrete that filled the Y-Shaped cavity.
They still then have to cut the ground anchor itself.


I assumed they'd go straight through the concrete, then the metal of the anchor. But you're right, probably is easier to just cut the chain, and A100man is right that you'll still need to cut the chain (or lift and carry the bike, roll it with the chain still attached etc.)
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 30 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThunderGuts wrote:
My other concern would be that style of anchor allows the chain to rest on the ground; vulnerable to a sledgehammer attack

This. I think you're focussing too much on the ground anchors: they are always going to attack the chains rather than the anchor, and in fact as stated above, simply by using ground anchors rather than have the chain hanging loose you're arguably making the chain attack easier (whether by hammer or disk cutter).

Also - looks like this is outdoors, so presumably the ground anchor is likely to be continually full of rainwater which will be (a) unpleasant and (b) likely to lead to corrosion of said anchor?
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PostPosted: 14:11 - 30 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Freddyfruitbat wrote:
Also - looks like this is outdoors, so presumably the ground anchor is likely to be continually full of rainwater which will be (a) unpleasant and (b) likely to lead to corrosion of said anchor?


The bottom of the Y should be open with a gravel soakaway underneath the concrete to ensure any water drains away.
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 30 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can get a wifi CCTV camera for £30 on Amazon that connects to your phone so there's no reason not to get one.

Any room for one of those little motorbike sheds? It's a lot easier to keep things secure if people cant tell you have a bike.
I think that 2 chains and an alarmed lock would be enough deterrent for most thieves though.
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 30 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ayrton wrote:
You can get a wifi CCTV camera for £30 on Amazon that connects to your phone so there's no reason not to get one.

Any room for one of those little motorbike sheds? It's a lot easier to keep things secure if people cant tell you have a bike.
I think that 2 chains and an alarmed lock would be enough deterrent for most thieves though.


For extra protection, an alarm with a perimeter alert works great too. Had one of these on my K5 and you couldn't stand next to the bike without it beeping (or the alarm going off if you didn't back away). The alarm fob works over FM as well, so you can be well out of the line of sight of the bike and have it alert if the alarm is triggered. Uses RFID too so you don't even need to manually disarm the bike, just walk up to it with the fob in your pocket and it'll disarm.

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PostPosted: 15:16 - 30 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ground attack with a sledgehammer was a concern but with a 22mm chain I should be fine. The chains I'm planning on getting are tested against sledgehammer attacks.

As for a wifi camera I'll look into that

Motorbike shed would be great just not practical as it would block the view out of the kitchen window

Some great tips though.
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PostPosted: 15:24 - 30 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can locate a point to get the chain through the frame, you should be able to effectively suspend it down to the anchor if it's directly under the bike, removing sledgehammer risk. It also means someone can't wheel it away, either by putting the wheel on something mobile or even swapping out another wheel to relocate it.

A mobile/suspended chain is so much harder to both sledgehammer and angle grind than one against the ground.
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 30 Nov 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I had to park on the street I had cctv with motion sensing, and a 16mm Pragmasis chain through the frame and round a lamp post. Then a cover over the top.

Nobody even lifted the cover to check what bike it was, one of the benefits of not London.

The chain would loop through a ring on the end so you didn't need to buy a double length chain but even at 1.5m you'd not want to lug it around on a bike. So you'll need something if you're parking at work, or while shopping.

Any chain will deter the opportunists, and an alarmed disk lock will deter all but the ones you're not likely to want to run out of the house to kick in.

But all of this needs to be balanced against the true risks of GS ownership. Prostate cancer, and dementia.
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