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| Bhud wrote: | | Shaft wrote: |
You've obviously never ridden one, or you have a new definition of 'fun' that I've not previously come across. |
Nope - never ridden one. Just a pure (optimistic) guess.
Can you describe how it might be different from a 1970s CB350 though? I'd be interested to know. |
What I can tell you is that I think it was the bike that coined the phrase, "handles like it has a hinge in the middle" 
Gutless, bland, zero character. Although I suppose you could say that when the two halves of the bike want to go in different directions in a bend, that's a kind of character. But so is a smack addict
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Zero character? That's a shame. Makes sense what you're saying about handling though. Just looking at that frame and the rake I can imagine what the flex must be like.
https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzY4WDEwMjQ=/z/mAsAAOSw4qxeto6Z/$_86.JPG
Worse than a pushbike...
I have a real soft spot for the late 80s CB350SG, and the 70s CB350 and CL350 are obviously iconic handsome bikes, and reliable too, but a bike has to have nice handling at either 60mph or 80mph, and if it has neither then it's hateful. At least I know what to avoid for a future project! |
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I think the later CB350 looked nice in red and white, but I think it's about the same engine? So I was never really interested in it after the SD.
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| Posted: 00:52 - 10 Feb 2022 Post subject: |
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| Bhud wrote: | | Shaft wrote: |
You've obviously never ridden one, or you have a new definition of 'fun' that I've not previously come across. |
Nope - never ridden one. Just a pure (optimistic) guess.
Can you describe how it might be different from a 1970s CB350 though? I'd be interested to know. |
Not very.
From memory, the 350 sits somewhere between the 250 and 400 SD in terms of performance, maybe 10 bhp more than the 250, 10 bhp less than the 400.
The SD motor has twin balance shafts, 3 valve heads and a 6 speed box, so it revs better and smoother, plus it's a bit easier to keep on the boil.
The bottom line is though, the SD was introduced in the 70s and it shows, they may have made it's various iterations look a bit sharper over the years, but the basic machine didn't really change; it started out as an everyman commuter and never got beyond that.
I get the impression you like to follow the path less travelled and what I'm going to say next might seem hackneyed and cliched to you, but if I was going to buy a 70s middleweight Honda today, I would look no further than a 400 Four, surely one of their greatest jewels.
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'Majestic' might be overstating the case but I rather like this..
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Zv4AAOSwmUxiGnDx/s-l1600.jpg
I have soft-spot for a Bros and something like this must surely be what a contemporary cafe racer should look like.. i.e. not another fuckin' CG125 with chequered tape and ace bars
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/165357535259?
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I think you need to look at the other side though
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/jC4AAOSwgEViGnEg/s-l1600.jpg
What the fuck is going on with that expansion bottle 
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Be careful about saying which bikes you like, on this thread.
This forum has a LOT of readers and very few contributors.
An old guy said the CB400/4 was an underrated gem representing the best of 70s Japanese bikes. Couple of days later, a kid in America who's trying to be a pro Youtuber bought himself a CB 500/4, with no real enthusiasm nor any reason, to help his channel.
I watched a few of his videos, and you get a lot of BCF stuff and talking points being regurgitated. He's about 20 years old and only has experience of one bike (an old Triumph). This is how content here on BCF gets exploited. He is going at it with a view to making his channel an easy way to get passive income. He isn't the only one, but this is very much a real trend.
There was a process whereby a lot of really, really good old bikes (e.g. 70s BMW boxers) were snapped up for no reason by the hipster lot, when the trend was in full swing, and made rarer by hapless bodgery, the end result of which was that the asking price of these bikes (unmodified) went through the roof.
Just be aware of how your opinions and content here are being used and capitalised, that's all I'm saying. |
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| Posted: 17:45 - 03 Mar 2022 Post subject: |
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| Bhud wrote: | Be careful about saying which bikes you like, on this thread.
This forum has a LOT of readers and very few contributors.
An old guy said the CB400/4 was an underrated gem representing the best of 70s Japanese bikes. Couple of days later, a kid in America who's trying to be a pro Youtuber bought himself a CB 500/4, with no real enthusiasm nor any reason, to help his channel.
I watched a few of his videos, and you get a lot of BCF stuff and talking points being regurgitated. He's about 20 years old and only has experience of one bike (an old Triumph). This is how content here on BCF gets exploited. He is going at it with a view to making his channel an easy way to get passive income. He isn't the only one, but this is very much a real trend.
There was a process whereby a lot of really, really good old bikes (e.g. 70s BMW boxers) were snapped up for no reason by the hipster lot, when the trend was in full swing, and made rarer by hapless bodgery, the end result of which was that the asking price of these bikes (unmodified) went through the roof.
Just be aware of how your opinions and content here are being used and capitalised, that's all I'm saying. |
Send us a link to matey's youtube and I'll try and pick out any of my gems!
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Send us a link to matey's youtube and I'll try and pick out any of my gems! |
https://www.youtube.com/c/bartmotorcycle/videos
Interesting case study I think, because this is how it always starts. This is textbook. Just 9K subscribers, most of which have been bought and paid for. Opinion pieces, stock footage from shutterstock, lists of 10, etc. Just now being picked up by the Youtube algorithm, so he'll be the next glorious infallible a la Fortnine, etc. Commenters take him at face value. Hints of some kind of deal with electric bike makers, and sponsorship by a couple of companies - very professionally, he ducks all direct questions about this. Just as he expects, most of the time, most of the people take him and his declared interest at face value. However, as is often the case, I see just another estate agent type, in his face. Wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him (and that isn't far). |
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| Bhud wrote: | | A100man wrote: |
Send us a link to matey's youtube and I'll try and pick out any of my gems! |
https://www.youtube.com/c/bartmotorcycle/videos
Interesting case study I think, because this is how it always starts. This is textbook. Just 9K subscribers, most of which have been bought and paid for. Opinion pieces, stock footage from shutterstock, lists of 10, etc. Just now being picked up by the Youtube algorithm, so he'll be the next glorious infallible a la Fortnine, etc. Commenters take him at face value. Hints of some kind of deal with electric bike makers, and sponsorship by a couple of companies - very professionally, he ducks all direct questions about this. Just as he expects, most of the time, most of the people take him and his declared interest at face value. However, as is often the case, I see just another estate agent type, in his face. Wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him (and that isn't far). |
Ah yes --seen one or two of that guy. He's putting in some time and he's on the make obvs but it doesn't offend me too much. Not really that interested in his view so, meh, be happy. At least he's not from the hipster mould -perhaps that's over now !
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Ah yes --seen one or two of that guy. He's putting in some time and he's on the make obvs but it doesn't offend me too much. Not really that interested in his view so, meh, be happy. At least he's not from the hipster mould -perhaps that's over now ! |
Fair enough mate.
He's got the measure of us and of what conservative, tasteful attitudes are in respect of bikes, and he's going to monetise that. Fine.
However, if you were to ask yourself what you would advise yourself to do, in the current climate, if you were his age, would it be that? Just about anything you do will make you money, as long as you do something in earnest. If I were to advise myself at that age, then I would say something like: stay the length of the party, until the early morning. Take home that one that's on E you've been ogling. Because you'll get an experience that in later years you'll only get at £big per hour. Meanwhile, motorcycles belong to that same class: something you do for yourself, for fun, for your private and personal entertainment. However, you're right, to each their own. "Sigma grindset" although just about any activity you throw yourself into would yield the same or greater profit than becoming a Youtube fake. |
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| Bhud wrote: | https://www.youtube.com/c/bartmotorcycle/videos
Interesting case study I think, because this is how it always starts. This is textbook. Just 9K subscribers, most of which have been bought and paid for. Opinion pieces, stock footage from shutterstock, lists of 10, etc. Just now being picked up by the Youtube algorithm, so he'll be the next glorious infallible a la Fortnine, etc. Commenters take him at face value. Hints of some kind of deal with electric bike makers, and sponsorship by a couple of companies - very professionally, he ducks all direct questions about this. Just as he expects, most of the time, most of the people take him and his declared interest at face value. However, as is often the case, I see just another estate agent type, in his face. Wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him (and that isn't far). |
How much revenue would a channel w/ half a million subscribers generate? Could you be making $30k a year? Quite possibly - lots of variables, but still - that'd be quite an achievement. To walk away from it would be brave? Foolhardy? Weird? Regardless, it's apparently what that bart person did:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0I_f6uGCoY
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How much revenue would a channel w/ half a million subscribers generate? Could you be making $30k a year? Quite possibly - lots of variables, but still - that'd be quite an achievement. To walk away from it would be brave? Foolhardy? Weird? Regardless, it's apparently what that bart person did:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0I_f6uGCoY |
I've no idea whether he actually did that or whether that's just something he claims he did. He obviously isn't doing this stuff for a hobby, but to build an even bigger channel. He does it with great confidence, which suggests he has experience in turning Youtube into a revenue stream. But that doesn't mean I have to swallow the bollocks. Regardless of the revenue someone might be getting, I have no ideological basis of support for them. I don't care if they're Bill Gates or a beggar. If I ask on here, should I buy a Z900 or an MT-09, the answers and information are worth something to me. They have value because I benefit. I don't give a shit about his slow-pan camera angles and his being tuned into the switched-off-brain "you're so right" mode of his viewers, who either just want positive reinforcement or to be acknowledged. To me, it's clear that his channel has zero value. To Youtube, it's clear that they can stick adverts on his videos and monetise attention.
I hear that nowadays, the most desired career path of a Gen Z is "Twitch streamer". I'm not for or against, but I'm just looking for where the value is, for me.
In matey matey "bart"'s case, I see a potential for a net loss for me, you and everyone normal. Because if you say what's a cool underrated bike on here, there's a chance he'll buy one and use it for just one video for his channel content, as he did with that CB500/4. This will raise the market value of that particular bike. Don't care about his channel and his lies about what he likes or finds genuinely cool - he's just another Yank faking it until he makes it, pretending he's the top of the food chain and the ultimate arbiter of what's cool. I care only about profit and loss, just like him. |
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Tsk, especially when everyone knows that's me. 
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