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PostPosted: 08:00 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: New Zealand to ban cigarettes for future generations Reply with quote

As per the title.

Anyone born after 2008 will not be able to buy cigarettes or tobacco products in their lifetime, under a law expected to be enacted next year.

A good idea or a fuck up like American prohibition was?

The start of the slippery slope to hive control? No tobacco. Next no booze. Then sometime no motorbikes (dangerous you know).

OK, it's not UK orone of the major populous nations but I'm sure they will all be looking on interesedly. I'm sure the NHS would love this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-59589775
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PostPosted: 08:46 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Currently, about 13% of New Zealand adults smoke, down from 18% about a decade ago. But the rate is much higher - about 31%- among the indigenous Maori population who also suffer a higher rate of disease and death.


That is well raciss.
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PostPosted: 09:19 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's unexpected how NZ have turned into such control freaks, mind Jacinda is one of WEF trained global leaders.
It will of course be totally unworkable and create a black market industry supplying tobacco to those deemed incompetent to make their own decisions.
They will definitely want to expand the concept into other areas they have decided are too risky for normal people. Eventually the consumption units won't be allowed outside at all.
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PostPosted: 09:58 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

It won't make much difference as its so easy to grow tobacco in NZ.

I grew my own when I lived there! .. It tasted like sh*t but it was tobacco. Wink
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PostPosted: 11:15 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
It's unexpected how NZ have turned into such control freaks, mind Jacinda is one of WEF trained global leaders.
It will of course be totally unworkable and create a black market industry supplying tobacco to those deemed incompetent to make their own decisions.
They will definitely want to expand the concept into other areas they have decided are too risky for normal people. Eventually the consumption units won't be allowed outside at all.


Step away from the tinfoil hat. Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:20 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was bound to come sooner or later. There are no benefits to tobacco consumption and an abundance of costly health risks. I'd expect other countries to follow suit sooner or later if only to protect their health costs.

Even the biggest cynical lying manipulative bastards on the planet (no, not politicians this time, I'm talking about tobacco companies) are getting out of the tobacco game.
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PostPosted: 11:35 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Step away from the tinfoil hat. Laughing

You like saying this but she is one of the WEF young leaders you can look it up on their site. here Oh and just look at who else is there it's like a list of villains.
And one of their aims is to be able to control what you will be allowed to buy because they know better.
Progressing quite well isn't it.
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There are no benefits to tobacco consumption and an abundance of costly health risks.


Mmm... and ppl smoke puff, huff glue and shoot up heroin just for the memes?

You really have no clue as to the way the world operates. How about you come down to earth and dare with us?
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a libertarian, I think that generally (some exceptions) if someone is doing something that doesn't directly or in-directly harm another person then they should be free to do anything they wanted. That includes taking drugs, consuming alcohol, firearm ownership, super-kinky sex, etc - as long as it's for individual purposes and doesn't bring harm to another person (or in the case it does - the other party gives consent (again there are some exceptions such as when the person cannot give consent or is below an age limit, etc) then c'est la vie!
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
Islander wrote:
There are no benefits to tobacco consumption and an abundance of costly health risks.


Mmm... and ppl smoke puff, huff glue and shoot up heroin just for the memes?

You really have no clue as to the way the world operates. How about you come down to earth and dare with us?


I've lived in the world long enough to know how it operates - you've got the wrong idea about me. Razz Laughing

I've smoked and eaten dope although not for a good few years. I have no problem with it at all and I'm broadly for the decriminalisation/legalisation of drugs. Huffing solvents or glue is just plain stupid.

What I am saying is that getting rid of tobacco as a legal commodity is a logical step now that the harm it does is out in the open and no longer suppressed by BAT and Philip Morris "studies". When you see the tobacco company hypocrites abandoning the rapidly sinking ship you know the game is up.
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fat Angry Scotsman wrote:
As a libertarian, I think that generally (some exceptions) if someone is doing something that doesn't directly or in-directly harm another person then they should be free to do anything they wanted. That includes taking drugs, consuming alcohol, firearm ownership, super-kinky sex, etc - as long as it's for individual purposes and doesn't bring harm to another person (or in the case it does - the other party gives consent (again there are some exceptions such as when the person cannot give consent or is below an age limit, etc) then c'est la vie!


Ah, but the argument is that unnecessary health risks means ending up in hospital and taking up a valuable bed so you're harming the NHS and affecting every tax payer in the country. This line of thinking means merely existing is a burden on society so you really need to put some effort in to justify your life, goddammit!

It's another one of those "ends justify the means" jobbies...

"We need to get ppl to stop smoking!"

At what cost?

"Individual agency" Shocked
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What I am saying is that getting rid of tobacco as a legal commodity is a logical step now that the harm it does is out in the open and no longer suppressed by BAT and Philip Morris "studies". When you see the tobacco company hypocrites abandoning the rapidly sinking ship you know the game is up.


I'm all in favour of banning cigarettes but that's not what they're proposing. This move is purely ideological and nothing to do with public health.
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PostPosted: 13:00 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
Islander wrote:
What I am saying is that getting rid of tobacco as a legal commodity is a logical step now that the harm it does is out in the open and no longer suppressed by BAT and Philip Morris "studies". When you see the tobacco company hypocrites abandoning the rapidly sinking ship you know the game is up.


I'm all in favour of banning cigarettes but that's not what they're proposing. This move is purely ideological and nothing to do with public health.


Tosh. It's everything to do with public health and protecting future generations.
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islander wrote:
It was bound to come sooner or later. There are no benefits to tobacco consumption and an abundance of costly health risks. I'd expect other countries to follow suit sooner or later if only to protect their health costs.

How did it go when the Americans banned alcohol a century ago, for similar reasons? Likewise, what we now describe as class A drugs?
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Tosh. It's everything to do with public health and protecting future generations.


So as I said, where do they stop? Booze probably costs more in health and policing than tobacco does. Ban it. Motorbikes are inherently dangerous and cost the NHS more than cars per mile, ban them.

There is an argument for banning people doing just about everything but this is very different, it's the first modern (as in this century) full assault on certailing mass personal freedoms rather than banning them before they started. (class A drugs and the like).
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
There is an argument for banning people

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PostPosted: 13:39 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Islander wrote:


Tosh. It's everything to do with public health and protecting future generations.


So as I said, where do they stop? Booze probably costs more in health and policing than tobacco does. Ban it. Motorbikes are inherently dangerous and cost the NHS more than cars per mile, ban them.

There is an argument for banning people doing just about everything but this is very different, it's the first modern (as in this century) full assault on certailing mass personal freedoms rather than banning them before they started. (class A drugs and the like).


Booze in moderation does no harm and has social benefits. Motorcycles aren't inherent dangerous - the people that ride them and drive other vehicles might be though. Tobacco has no benefits and a huge list of carcinogenic and health damaging substances that smoking puts straight into the bloodstream and lung tissue of the smoker. The only benefit to a state is the tax revenue and that's starting to disappear...
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's the only fair way to do it if you are serious about banning cigarettes. And as an intermittant ex-smoker, I wish they fucking would so I can't have a wobble and grab some baccy from the nearest shop. Even if they made it harder to get, like you have to pre-order.

It would however seem very unfair to ban something people had become addicted to when it was perfectly legal.
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
It's the only fair way to do it if you are serious about banning cigarettes. And as an intermittant ex-smoker, I wish they fucking would so I can't have a wobble and grab some baccy from the nearest shop. Even if they made it harder to get, like you have to pre-order.

It would however seem very unfair to ban something people had become addicted to when it was perfectly legal.


Nicotine patches/pills/gum/...
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Booze in moderation does no harm and has social benefits. Motorcycles aren't inherent dangerous - the people that ride them and drive other vehicles might be though. Tobacco has no benefits and a huge list of carcinogenic and health damaging substances that smoking puts straight into the bloodstream and lung tissue of the smoker. The only benefit to a state is the tax revenue and that's starting to disappear...


Well that's a bollox argument as the tax revenue is commensurate with the usage so it hasn't changed (except got bigger as the gov increase it) per smoker at all.
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PostPosted: 13:47 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nicotine patches/pills/gum/...


Yeah, because those work...
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Islander wrote:


Nicotine patches/pills/gum/...


Yeah, because those work...


If there's no alternative they might just work a bit better.
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Booze in moderation does no harm and has social benefits. Motorcycles aren't inherent dangerous - the people that ride them and drive other vehicles might be though. Tobacco has no benefits and a huge list of carcinogenic and health damaging substances that smoking puts straight into the bloodstream and lung tissue of the smoker. The only benefit to a state is the tax revenue and that's starting to disappear...


Stop your bike, get off it and walk away. What does it do? Fall over. Two wheels is inherently dangerous. Razz
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Islander wrote:


Booze in moderation does no harm and has social benefits. Motorcycles aren't inherent dangerous - the people that ride them and drive other vehicles might be though. Tobacco has no benefits and a huge list of carcinogenic and health damaging substances that smoking puts straight into the bloodstream and lung tissue of the smoker. The only benefit to a state is the tax revenue and that's starting to disappear...


Well that's a bollox argument as the tax revenue is commensurate with the usage so it hasn't changed (except got bigger as the gov increase it) per smoker at all.


Apart from the decrease in uptake of smoking...

Yes the diehard (no pun intended but still Laughing ) smokers still exist but they're a declining customer base and revenue resources.
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 09 Dec 2021    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ah, but the argument is that unnecessary health risks means ending up in hospital and taking up a valuable bed so you're harming the NHS and affecting every tax payer in the country. This line of thinking means merely existing is a burden on society so you really need to put some effort in to justify your life, goddammit!

It's another one of those "ends justify the means" jobbies...

"We need to get ppl to stop smoking!"

At what cost?

"Individual agency" Shocked


Not really, I think that if you are known to do things that increase your risk over a certain number of standard deviations from the mean of the population you should pay for private health insurance. I am also Utilitarian in some ways.
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