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PostPosted: 16:35 - 07 Jul 2022    Post subject: Truckers 2.0 - the Dutch Bacon War Reply with quote
Dutch police shoot at tractor during night of farm protests

Warning shots probably for a good reason but bad optics nonetheless.

Anyhoo, why so down on Dutch farmers? Just an eco-issue, everyone wants to be green don't they?! Well the timescales are tight to say the least and then there's this....

Mark Rutte [Dutch PM] | WEF Innovation Hubs

News just in: WEF proposes centralised control of tin foil headwear distribution Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 07 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
So essentially, stop producing food, it’s causing pollution. Shocked
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 07 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Stop producing food?! That's totally bat shit crazy, man!

No, what we consider "normal" food will be phased out in favour of gruel and crushed beetles. Think Oliver Twist meets that scene in Snowpiercer (where they glimpse into the protein bar machine.)
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PostPosted: 22:55 - 07 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
They want to force rapid increase uptake of synthetic meat, which just happens to be controlled by companies involved with the WEF.
What could possibly go wrong when food supplies are totally dominated by synthetic products dependent on global conglomerates.
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 08 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Always worth repeating that our emissions have been going down, and why I think we should continue to take every reasonable step to reduce them, the rapid and not-so-clean development of emerging nations will dwarf our efforts:

https://static.politifact.com/politifact/photos/PerCapitaCO2emissions.jpg

Making it so we can't feed ourselves and can't travel to work isn't going to save the planet.
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 08 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
So essentially, stop producing food, it’s causing pollution. Shocked


Maybe that is why Bill Gates is buying so much land?
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 08 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Maybe because land doesn't lose value?
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 08 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Im-a-Ridah wrote:
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
So essentially, stop producing food, it’s causing pollution. Shocked


Maybe that is why Bill Gates is buying so much land?


Ooh, conspiraceh!
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 08 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Maybe because land doesn't lose value?


He only wants agricultural land AFAIK, not the lucrative urban land.
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 08 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
https://landincome.com/blog/why-bill-gates-is-buying-farmland
All the next big things in technology have a ‘bio’ prefix.
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 08 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
https://landincome.com/blog/why-bill-gates-is-buying-farmland
All the next big things in technology have a ‘bio’ prefix.


Nothing wrong with him owning farms for science, but really how many farms does one scientist need? Laughing

Similarly owning a few guns is a sign of an shooting enthusiast, but someone with 10,000 identical rifles...
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 08 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Investment in bio-feedstocks, and the ability to influence the science.
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PostPosted: 21:30 - 08 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Maybe because land doesn't lose value?


Do you think he's short of a bob or two that he needs to?
I don't know what his agenda is, but he certainly has one, and it doesn't look to me like the kind that will only affect him.
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PostPosted: 02:50 - 09 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
https://preview.redd.it/93hd84h08xm51.jpg?auto=webp&s=c8cb869ab5967a50035a05ae97406ad153ea6966

I don't think he necessarily has sinister motives but some of his well intentioned programmes will have negative consequences.

For example his TED talk which is often cited as his plan to cull the populace, what he's actually talking about is addressing the African population boom* through contraception, and vaccines/healthcare to reduce child mortality in Africa.

Great except it's cultural to not use contraception and also cultural to have large families, so his efforts will likely make things worse.

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https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/images/thumb/2/2c/Population_index_%281960%3D100%29.png/1000px-Population_index_%281960%3D100%29.png
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 09 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I don't think he necessarily has sinister motives but some of his well intentioned programmes will have negative consequences.


Well intentioned or not, I think he is politically naive, and that leaves him vulnerable to manipulation by less scrupulous and/or blinkered interests. Just like all the western businesses who invested so heavily in China, and now find themselves unable to disengage, or even be critical, no matter how the Chinese behave.
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 09 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
M.C wrote:
I don't think he necessarily has sinister motives but some of his well intentioned programmes will have negative consequences.

For example….what he's actually talking about is addressing the African population boom through contraception, and vaccines/healthcare to reduce child mortality in Africa.

Great except it's cultural to not use contraception and also cultural to have large families, so his efforts will likely make things worse.

What are the negative consequences in that example, and is it wrong to try to influence a culture which is self-harming?
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 09 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
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is it wrong to try to influence a culture which is self-harming?


I would say it depends on what you mean by "influence", how far you want to take it. I don't think you can force or coerce if it is self harm they are engaged in. The bigger questions arise out of when the harm is no longer only to "self".
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PostPosted: 17:19 - 09 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Bill Gates isn’t forcing poor Africans to use contraception and vaccination.
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PostPosted: 17:32 - 09 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Bill Gates isn’t forcing poor Africans to use contraception and vaccination.


You asked an open question. That's what I answered. I even quoted your question first.
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 09 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
M.C wrote:
I don't think he necessarily has sinister motives but some of his well intentioned programmes will have negative consequences.

For example….what he's actually talking about is addressing the African population boom through contraception, and vaccines/healthcare to reduce child mortality in Africa.

Great except it's cultural to not use contraception and also cultural to have large families, so his efforts will likely make things worse.

What are the negative consequences in that example, and is it wrong to try to influence a culture which is self-harming?

That he'll make the unsustainable African population boom even worse. As chickenstrip hit on it won't just impact African countries, our leaders have been hinting for a while that they plan to absorb this boom into european/western countries.

From there you can get as tin-foil hattish as you like, when it comes to for example the climate change narrative, where we're apparently the ones killing the planet with our emissions, so the solution is to move people from low carbon to high carbon societies... to help climate change? Confused

In terms of influencing other cultures my point was more they've already tried and it hasn't worked, rather than questioning the morality. Also if you've noticed we're killing the planet if we have more than 2 babies, but it's raciss to suggest African families having 6+ kids is a bit excessive... Macron blasted for comments on African women and their ‘seven or eight children’
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Gates says there is data to suggest that improving health care leads to reducing birth rates, so it’s a means to prevent the global population spiralling out of control. You don’t need to have six kids just to ensure two of them reach adulthood if their survival is more certain.
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 09 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Gates says there is data to suggest that improving health care leads to reducing birth rates, so it’s a means to prevent the global population spiralling out of control. You don’t need to have six kids just to ensure two of them reach adulthood if their survival is more certain.

I understand and referenced that above:
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addressing the African population boom* through contraception, and vaccines/healthcare to reduce child mortality in Africa

My point is I don't beleive it'll help. We have low child mortality here so why do particularly Asian's and Black folk/Africans still have large families in the UK?
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PostPosted: 21:51 - 09 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
You can't trust anything that leaves Bull Gates mouth. What next? "Satan turned into a really nice chap after he retired" Shocked
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You can't trust anything that leaves Bull Gates mouth. What next? "Satan turned into a really nice chap after he retired" Shocked


Gates is someone whose every action should be considered to have some dishonest purpose, a bit like Tony Blair really.
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PostPosted: 01:56 - 10 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm aware that there's a lot of dislike for Gates, but haven't chased it down myself. What are the specific complaints?
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