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Quote: | I’d hope that the public will recognise this in future and want to know the full story. |
Sadly we live in times where there is no such thing as the full story, just vested interests. Even MDMA's old mate Nigel Farage and his GB News (supposedly the 'truth' in a way even poor white voters can understand) fails to get a message across without his bias.
Life was so much simpler when all we had was the World Service and BBC1 news at 21.00, and we believed what we were told. Now we have a silly internet-based scramble for lies and propaganda from all sides, which must be further from the public interest, surely? ____________________ Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
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Ahem.
"New guidelines from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) withdrawing their request for Emergency Use Authorization for a coronavirus test introduced in February 2020 do not mean that these polymerase chain reaction (PCR) tests have failed to differentiate between COVID-19 and Influenza, as users online claim. Rather, the agency is advising the adoption of new tests that can check patients for both SARS-CoV-2 and Influenza viruses."
Conspiracy theorists eh? |
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Anyone who understands how PCR tests work also understands how enormously specific they are.
I'm afraid I'm not going to start explaining how PCR works here but the chances of it mistaking one thing for another are vanishingly low. False positives are much more likely to occur due to a human factor such as mislabelling samples or cross-contamination in a lab full of virus laden samples.
Where it can fall down is it can detect insignificantly small quantities of the target molecule given enough cycles which is why they keep the cycle number down to a point where they are seeing a few false negatives. This avoids "false positives" although that is a bad term because the virus was still there, just in minescule quantities. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Posted: 01:35 - 30 Dec 2021 Post subject: |
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The medical profession has its share of anti vaxx nutters too you know.
Still using thegatewayconspiracist then are we? |
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One thing I am uncomfortable about is I recently found out it is not now standard practice in the UK to draw back on the syringe before injecting vaccines in humans to ensure the needle is not in a blood vessel (a process known as aspirating).
It's something I have always done when injecting animals into a muscle (or indeed, under the skin). It is very rare that you do hit a blood vessel but you DO occasionally hit them. Some of the drugs I use in animals could prove pretty dangerous if they went into a vein.
I'm not so sure about a vaccine but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be a good thing. I'm now wondering if some of these more severe coagulation type reactions are as a result of inadvertant administration of the vaccine directly into the bloodstream.
I will certainly be asking the vaccinator to aspirate before they give me any sort of vaccine again, covid or otherwise. Anything I've read says they don't do it because there is no need to because there aren't any big blood vessels at the vaccination site and that aspirating may hurt more.
What I'd say is there aren't SUPPOSED to be any blood vessels but as any surgeon will tell you, what is supposed to be the case and what is actually in there don't always tally. It's also relying a lot on the vaccinator giving the vaccine into the correct muscle group and at the correct angle each and every time.
The only clinical reason not to aspirate is it may hurt a bit more. It takes a fraction of a second to do.
If it comes out in the wash that these severe reactions and deaths were a result of not aspirating, there will be hell to pay. It will come out in the wash because in some other countries, aspiration is standard practice (and used to be in the UK). If they turn out to have lower rates of adverse clotting type reactions, someone will have some explaining to do. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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The link you posted there has nothing to do with PCR testing and that was not its inventor. The inventor of the Nobel prize winning PCR process was Dr. Kary Mullis who couldn't possibly have commented on its use in covid 19 testing because he died in August 2019. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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The one thing this has highlighted is the mental capacity of a few folk.
Be it 'I caught covid and no one helped me' - help was available, you just chose not to accept it.
Or 'I know more than scientists because random misquoted Internet sources told me so' - any sauce will do it seems.
https://www.rigb.org/christmas-lectures/2021-going-viral-how-covid-changed-science-forever
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Yep, me too. I found the bit about R number particulartly interesting. ____________________ trevor saxe-coburg-gotha:"Remember this simple rule - scooters are for men who like to feel the breeze on their huge, flapping cunt lips."
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stinkwheel wrote: | One thing I am uncomfortable about is I recently found out it is not now standard practice in the UK to draw back on the syringe before injecting vaccines in humans to ensure the needle is not in a blood vessel (a process known as aspirating).
It's something I have always done when injecting animals into a muscle (or indeed, under the skin). It is very rare that you do hit a blood vessel but you DO occasionally hit them. Some of the drugs I use in animals could prove pretty dangerous if they went into a vein. |
Sidetrack warning...
When my missus was a medical student years ago she had a minor operation for a tendon ganglion years ago (a small lump on her finger). Anaesthesia was an axial block, administered by the senior orthopaedic consultant - basically the idea is to inject anaesthetic directly into the nerve sheath, in the armpit, and the whole arm is then numbed for the operation.
Last thing my wife remembered before blacking out was somebody shouting 'are you an athlete?, are you an athlete? (she wasn't) at her (alluding to her now very low pulse rate/blood pressure). Turned out that the muppet surgeon had injected the anaesthetic directly into a vein rather than a nerve; fortunately it had a happy outcome but the cockup damned nearly killed her.
Postscript - several years later wifey ended up by chance working as a junior hospital doctor for this same surgeon - he never recognised her. One day she was assisting him on a tendon ganglion operation (ie, the same procedure she'd undergone). The patient was under a general anaesthetic. During the op, my wife asked - in all innocence - whether it was possible to use an axial block instead? "Oh", says the great man, "Some people do, but I once had a bad experience so I don't use it any more". Never twigged. ____________________ KC100->CB100N->CB250RS--------->DL650AL2->R1200RS->R1250RS |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 2 years, 115 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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