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Posted: 16:44 - 29 Dec 2021 Post subject: I hope this helps. |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0ZY3VWYKzQ ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | Keep on looking for reasons to justify anti-vaxx as anything other than ignorance, arrogance and cod-rebellion. At least he didn’t try going down the ‘Great Reset’ path. |
I didn't hear one word about "anti-vax". That's your obsession, not his, or mine, or that of most you accuse of it I daresay. Or maybe you mean those who have some doubts about the long term effects of these particular vaccines? Or those who just aren't in a situation where they feel a need for them?
There is a wider point he is making anyway. Learn it, or continue to be surprised at how people behave, your choice. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Posted: 21:24 - 30 Dec 2021 Post subject: |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_behavior
What your man is saying is, given this broad collection of examples (an aggregation of data) of unreliable, contradictory or incorrect things people have been told, a specific conclusion has been drawn about a particular thing by some people (i.e. that the vaccines are not trustworthy). This is poor reasoning, on their part.
To give an example: let's say Drug X is developed, that cures all types of cancer. This drug is tested on many different people. When the results of these people are compared with the sample control group, most of those given the drug seem to recover from their illness. Most recover, but not all. It's statistically significant when compared with a placebo. Some of those who had cancer still die, but because you're using an evidence-based approach in your study of the drug, on average you find there is a strong statistical correlation between recovery from cancer and the administration of Drug X.
Drug X is then administered to cancer patients. Some cancer patients have a heart attack and die. Drug X is studied and found to exacerbate heart attack risks, and is not advisable for people with pre-existing heart conditions. What's more, it's found that one or two of the cancer patients trial group who died in the original testing phase for Drug X had a pre-existing heart condition. Why was this not uncovered at the time? Because the aggregation of data method used in an evidence-based medicine approach causes a loss in particularity when you get your results.
What your man is saying is that vaccine hesitancy is caused by first cherry-picking from a list of things that actually happened, and then compounding this error by using a flawed method (aggregation and averaging of all kinds of selected political hypocrisies, even including American elections and heavy media bias) and applying it to a particular property (i.e. the matter of a vaccine for coronavirus). If we were to apply this mistaken logic to our fictional Drug X, then those same people would be saying that all cancer treatments should be avoided in case they cause heart attacks. Net effect: more people die of cancer. |
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Posted: 21:57 - 30 Dec 2021 Post subject: |
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Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | chickenstrip wrote: |
I didn't hear one word about "anti-vax”. |
The video is titled, “Vaccine Hesitancy EXPLAINED” |
Anti-vax and vaccine hesitancy mean two different things to me. Perhaps because they use different words ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | Rated funny. |
Rated interesting.
Ok, I'm lying ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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The vaccine was supposed to prevent serious illness and death. If it successfully prevents infection thats just a happy accident.
But that doesn't support your narrative does it. ____________________ trevor saxe-coburg-gotha:"Remember this simple rule - scooters are for men who like to feel the breeze on their huge, flapping cunt lips."
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I don't know anything about the science behind vaccines, viruses or any of it. I don't really care. What I care about is the attitudes forming around it all. It doesn't make any sense to me. We'd actually divide society based on those who have had a vaccine, and those who haven't?! Madness! I can see absolutely no sense in that mentality. It will not "save lives", it will not "save the NHS" (which needs much more than a little relief from a few people sick with an ever less potent virus). I suspect most of this is an argument for the sake of an argument, and people trying to say "Look at me, I'm more intelligent than you!" Well, good luck with that intelligence if it causes massive polarisation and hatred. That'll be really worthwhile, won't it? ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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I'm sorry to hear you're being held back Bhud. I hope you can find a way forward for yourself again soon ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Islander wrote: |
Idiots like you, GettingMoreParanoid, Rebel, Donk et al are actually prolonging this by ignoring good science |
No, I don't think so. They have no power over anyone. We could have a 100% vaccine take up, and we'd still be facing rules and restrictions if there were any trace of this virus around at all, which there most certainly would be. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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You're free to disagree of course, but I reckon you're wrong. |
Explain how I'm wrong?
But anyway, it's kind of you to allow me a different opinion. I feel privileged! ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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There's nothing new about restrictions and controls. It's just that the way they're implemented right now is so defunct and obsolete and offers so little benefit to us, that we should avail ourselves of the technology that exists out there. This isn't going to be a painless process, but we will have to walk down that road that leads to the betterment of the human condition. For this to be possible, many of the systems, beliefs and patterns that guided previous generations in the modern, industrial age will have to be scrapped. It's not as if they've been fit for purpose for the past 40 years anyway.
Example: "covid passports are bad". Why are they bad? Because of centralised control, tyranny, the potential for the abuse of data, the sanctity of privacy, George Orwell, etc.
OK, but do we currently enjoy a utopia of freedom of belief, thought and conscience, where our reality is not already under heavy control and restriction? Could there possibly be ancillary uses to which such data and systems as the Covid passport scheme could be put to better use? Why can't we use this system in the future to DNA-sample every newborn, and use that information to build an incredibly comprehensive picture of the way in which the genes work?
Let's start from scratch.
The reality you're defending hasn't existed for some considerable time, but the illusion of it has. There was no freedom - everyone's thought was policed and under heavily restrictive control.
Child is born, and is introduced to other children at the kindergarten. One child has an interesting toy. Another child goes up to it, and grabs it. Child holds on, and starts screaming. Other child bashes it with a wooden block, full-force, in the face. Childminder steps in and says "No! Naughty!" and that's where it all starts. It takes 16 years of carrot-and-stick (mostly stick) after that to create the individual who fits into this "ideal" society. Individuals created and formed by PUNISHMENTS to make this society sort of work. How is that humane?
On top of that, they have to face viruses out in the wild, alone? What's it worth? Why defend it?
You go to the workplace water cooler. You ask your colleague, "did you see the game last night?". Or, if it's a woman, they will ask whether they saw Eastenders or something. Well, of course they did. There were perhaps 2 or 3 choices on TV that night (going back to the 1980s), and 60 million people glued to the TV had to choose between them. Then they work, and all their productivity and all their life-force and energy goes into making Capital, Fidelity, Blackrock, etc. richer. The people who own everything, right? Every product, so much "choice", but is there really, when the same people own everything?
The country is so crowded - so much overpopulation, right? Well, it doesn't look like that from the air. It actually looks idyllic. The land that inspired Arthurian legend - all green and pleasant. Just people are locked into human habitation zones, while all that greenness is very much off-limits and owned by just a few people.
So, all I'm saying is, scrap it - it's crap and we've done all this before. Men get used like farm animals, and eventually it becomes Game of Thrones, except the people on the TV who actually fight great wars somehow look so shiny and good compared with the people in the supermarket or down the high street. We need to embrace these new technologies in order to break this trap, that's all I'm saying.
A destination 40-ish so years into the future in which the human being isn't actually a human being but is something else, and is connected to a universal, prime intelligence. Any step that brings us closer to this is a boon. And that includes novel vaccines, medications, computer systems and networks. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 2 years, 108 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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