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Nobby the Bastard
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PostPosted: 19:44 - 20 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:


You're a civil servant. You don't do any work.


I'll tell the 1* that I was advising today that I don't do any work the next time he asks for some.
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PostPosted: 19:45 - 20 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
You're a civil servant. You don't do any work.

You are Marcus and I claim my 5 ponds.

(That’s gotta hurt.)
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PostPosted: 19:47 - 20 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
chickenstrip wrote:
You're a civil servant. You don't do any work.

You are Marcus and I claim my 5 ponds.

(That’s gotta hurt.)


I don't mind a ribbing off Chicken, spent a few evenings talking bollocks and drinking round the fire with him.
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 20 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
chickenstrip wrote:
You're a civil servant. You don't do any work.

You are Marcus and I claim my 5 ponds.

(That’s gotta hurt.)


Who? Once again, I am accused of other people's obsessions Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:19 - 20 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
I'd go for Bristol. They'll love it.


It would work for a while in Bristol because most the of the population are a relatively well off and well educated. It's when there are lots of poor people too that the Communism really starts to go off a cliff fast. At the other extreme somewhere like Glasgow there would be cannibalism within about 6 months.

chickenstrip wrote:

Pretty sure he's actually a self-declared one too isn't he? It's quite interesting to look into the political pasts of many of the top Labour figures, the causes they have espoused and views they have given. Harder to find them saying later it was just the madness of youth.


Corbyn is probably a "communist with other people's money", like most communists.
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 20 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:


It would work for a while in Bristol because most the of the population are...well educated.


Apart from when it comes to history and politics apparently Laughing
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PostPosted: 01:45 - 22 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
What's Edinburgh done to upset you?

Luton now, I'd go with that, it can hardly get any worse.


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PostPosted: 17:18 - 24 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

‘Is it time for Britain to try communism?’
No. What a daft suggestion.
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PostPosted: 00:04 - 25 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

1198 wrote:
‘Is it time for Britain to try communism?’
No. What a daft suggestion.


Thanks for your well thought out contribution.
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PostPosted: 00:34 - 25 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
1198 wrote:
‘Is it time for Britain to try communism?’
No. What a daft suggestion.


Thanks for your well thought out contribution.


No problem. I targeted it particularly for people who think that
‘ somewhere like Glasgow there would be cannibalism within about 6 months.’ is equally well thought out and valuable. Sorry if it was too intelligent for you.
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PostPosted: 10:19 - 25 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know about that BUT it is time to STOP the 2 sides to every debate just to balance for TV /media

Scientist vs science deniers (climte change/global warming)
Experts vs feelers
virologists vs anti-vaxers
the list goes on - you either know your shit or you don't and people that don't shouldn't be given a platform to spout out their bullshit.

and finally, it is about time the UK admitted they made a big mistake by electing these lot (led by donkeys comes to mind)

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PostPosted: 13:34 - 25 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Abaaba wrote:
I don't know about that BUT it is time to STOP the 2 sides to every debate just to balance for TV /media

Scientist vs science deniers (climte change/global warming)
Experts vs feelers
virologists vs anti-vaxers
the list goes on - you either know your shit or you don't and people that don't shouldn't be given a platform to spout out their bullshit.

and finally, it is about time the UK admitted they made a big mistake by electing these lot (led by donkeys comes to mind)

Rant Over


So all we need is a judge with a total dictatorial veto over all human thought, a person who gets to decide what can and cannot be discussed. Luckily it seems like you have a candidate for the job, but I feel others may also put themselves forward for it! The BBC have been eyeing that role for a while too I think.

Personally I favour the approach of debating all ideas and then addressing them through evidence. It avoids the dependency on some kind of super-human.
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 25 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
Abaaba wrote:
I don't know about that BUT it is time to STOP the 2 sides to every debate just to balance for TV /media

Scientist vs science deniers (climte change/global warming)
Experts vs feelers
virologists vs anti-vaxers
the list goes on - you either know your shit or you don't and people that don't shouldn't be given a platform to spout out their bullshit.

and finally, it is about time the UK admitted they made a big mistake by electing these lot (led by donkeys comes to mind)

Rant Over


So all we need is a judge with a total dictatorial veto over all human thought, a person who gets to decide what can and cannot be discussed. Luckily it seems like you have a candidate for the job, but I feel others may also put themselves forward for it! The BBC have been eyeing that role for a while too I think.

Personally I favour the approach of debating all ideas and then addressing them through evidence. It avoids the dependency on some kind of super-human.




Healthy debate is good when it is between 2 equal parties and Not between Someone who is expert in their field vs Billy from Block B........or as the drug snorting MP said before, we have all had enough of experts so everyone is opinion weighs the same.
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 25 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Consensus" a word that seems to have been forgotten lately Sad

Time of the rise of The Alt-Middle Smile
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PostPosted: 15:06 - 25 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Abaaba wrote:


Healthy debate is good when it is between 2 equal parties and Not between Someone who is expert in their field vs Billy from Block B........or as the drug snorting MP said before, we have all had enough of experts so everyone is opinion weighs the same.


Unfortunately experts are not representative of society. Overwhelmingly experts are drawn from the upper middle classes, and often have very much the same political views. Universities, full of "experts", and almost entirely free of Conservatives. An "expert" in migration policy from UCL is going to have a very different experience of the impact of immigration to a working class person living on a council estate alongside the new arrivals.
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PostPosted: 15:26 - 25 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:

Personally I favour the approach of debating all ideas and then addressing them through evidence. It avoids the dependency on some kind of super-human.


Proper evidence, not internet source wars.
Let's face it, we have opinions, not much else. Which is fine in politics, because that's all it is; opinions on the best ways to do things. And even where science is concerned, it's not about consensus. All theories are always up for challenge, or should be when science is done right.
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PostPosted: 15:30 - 25 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I broadly agree with abaaba's point, but I'd add:

1) Experts should be allowed to show their workings and explain their models in detail (the benefit being that will show, for example, how they calculate worse case scenarios, and they won't lose trust but actually gain trust if those outcomes don't manifest).

2) The whole "trust me I'm a doctor" thing just has to go. Instead, they should be supported by programmes that explain what things are. Is it assumed everyone already knows what a spike protein, for example, is? Why? Is it assumed nobody but experts needs to know what a spike protein is, i.e. if you don't already know then you don't need to know? Why?

3) There should be some way to include practitioners' and laypersons' views in a continuing feedback, using the same news media, to explore whether programmes are working. For example: reform of, say, immigration law and procedures by means of a new law. Is there sufficient transparency, aided by the media, and a culture of openness to show whether it's working or how it could be improved. Perhaps some feedback from lawyers on both sides could help. If you don't do this then you end up with a puppet show and populism, and no efficacy. It all degenerates to lizard people and paranoia and Rothschilds.

With some adjustment, the media can restore trust and help keep things moving forward. I agree that the culture of low expectations has pervaded the media and politics, and this has given rise to some dumb and wacky - really out there - conspiracy theories which don't help anything.
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 25 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Im-a-Ridah wrote:

Personally I favour the approach of debating all ideas and then addressing them through evidence. It avoids the dependency on some kind of super-human.


Proper evidence, not internet source wars.
Let's face it, we have opinions, not much else. Which is fine in politics, because that's all it is; opinions on the best ways to do things. And even where science is concerned, it's not about consensus. All theories are always up for challenge, or should be when science is done right.


The difference between politicians and science is that in science it's great to be wrong, it means you tried something new, or you learned something. Personally, I'm wrong many times a day and being wrong doesn't bother me at all. In politics being wrong is seen as bad, so they avoid being wrong by never innovating.
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PostPosted: 16:06 - 25 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe new political ideas should be tried out in a laboratory before inflicting them on the general population Laughing

Problem we have at the moment seems to me to be the politicisation of science, and everything else too. Maybe there's too much emphasis on this "how can science make our lives better?" thing, instead of just trying to understand the world around us. Maybe too much commercialisation of science too.
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 25 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Put the robots in charge.
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PostPosted: 17:30 - 25 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bhud wrote:
...show their workings


FFS couldn't get anywhere in school without this! I'm reading academic books at the moment and if you have a 20 page chapter there'll be 3 pages of references afterwards.

Wikipedia manages it, Crowder shouts "all references below" like a mantra. If there's one thing we need more of it's "Prove it!" when politicians and MSM spit out their convenient talking points.
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PostPosted: 19:35 - 25 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't remember who pointed it out but what needs to either stop or be made much more transparent is the tendancy for a news program to have their anchor interview their science/technology/politics correspondant who replies as if they are an expert. They are not a source, they are parrotting a source and they should make it much clearer what that source is.
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PostPosted: 20:23 - 29 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do you think is Brexit cult in the UK?

Johnson, Mogg and all Brexit zealots act like USSR communists in 1980s.

Wait 50 to a 100 years and the UK will be fine, also for any of their failures the fault is all traitors like me that do not believe in the new bright future Laughing

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PostPosted: 20:35 - 29 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Queues in Kent = EU being difficult. Queues in France = UK being difficult.

Are there lots of queues in France?
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PostPosted: 21:06 - 29 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Queues in Kent = EU being difficult. Queues in France = UK being difficult.

Are there lots of queues in France?


I am sorry but this doesnt make sense at all -

Uk decided to leave the EU knowing it will be treated same as every other country that isn't in the EU......checks, checks and more checks

you have 2 options,

A= blame the EU for not knowing how exceptional the UK is and why it deserves to be treated differently compared to all the other countries that aren't in the EU

or

B= Blame the people that said all these predictions were project fear and were partying whilst everyone else was in a lock

or insult the people that trusted the experts and voted remain

remember in Brexit corner, you have the below

Gove = "people have had enough of experts"
Raab = didn't know how important Dover was before he was elected Brexit negotiator"
Boris = only decided last minute which side to back for his own gain
Leadsom = provided alternative facts about WTO against the guy who used to run WTO (Pascal Lamy)
Farage = dingy hunter

btw, where is that 350 million a week for the NHS, why do we need to pay extra NI contributions


don't even start Northern Ireland
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