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PostPosted: 13:01 - 28 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:
One thing is for sure judging by the fact that every Tory person interviewed brings it up to divert attention from Johnson's inability to tell the truth, the fat blonde scarecrow must be loving it in a similar manner to Thatcher during the Falklands. HMS Sheffield et al saved her political bacon. I wonder if Putin will do the same for Boris?


Depends on whether you view another example of government hypocrisy here, or possible military conflict in Europe as the most weighty of the headlines. They can actually coexist together, but I know which is most worrying to me, and it ain't Boris' antics (although having that clown in charge at a time of potential war doesn't ease my mind any).
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 28 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel 'Buffoon' is more representative than 'Clown.'
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 28 Jan 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
I feel 'Buffoon' is more representative than 'Clown.'


Not arguing with that, but I still think potential war in Europe is more worrying. It ain't Boris stirring that up. Try to focus on the issue at hand Nobby Laughing

You could always start an anti-Boris thread, even widen the scope and make it an anti-Tory one Smile
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 19 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Today just a casual ballistic missile, hypersonic missile, and cruise missile test to demonstrate Russian nuclear forces. It's the sort of thing you do when you've got extreme tensions and a mere 150,000 to 190,000 troops on your neighbours border Rolling Eyes

Are You Kranian?
Maybe its time for a "nuclear defence test"? My personal recommendation is to fill lots of containers with water, and prepare to turn your window cavity and wheelie bin into dirt filled shields to stop the radiation coming in. Don't forget the threat from above, you will be wanting to have bags of dirty or other dense substances above the area you are hiding in.

Essential items to stockpile:
1. Toilet paper
2. Baking powder
3. Playstation 5's and graphics cards
4. Microprocessors and microcontrollers
5. Beer
6. Milk. Some to drink, some to watch go off
7. Solar panels to charge your phone, and porn so you have something to use your phone for
8. Pasta
9. More beer
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 19 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:


Essential items to stockpile:
1. Toilet paper
2. Baking powder
3. Playstation 5's and graphics cards
4. Microprocessors and microcontrollers
5. Beer
6. Milk. Some to drink, some to watch go off
7. Solar panels to charge your phone, and porn so you have something to use your phone for
8. Pasta
9. More beer


Or if you live in the UK:
1. Toilet paper.
2. More toilet paper
3. Even more toilet paper
4. A little extra toilet paper
5. Some additional toilet paper
6. Emergency toilet paper
7. Toilet paper for extra-desperate situations
8. Toilet paper for when the above toilet paper runs out
9. Wet wipes
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PostPosted: 21:30 - 19 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
Today just a casual ballistic missile, hypersonic missile, and cruise missile test to demonstrate Russian nuclear forces. It's the sort of thing you do when you've got extreme tensions and a mere 150,000 to 190,000 troops on your neighbours border Rolling Eyes

Are You Kranian?
Maybe its time for a "nuclear defence test"? My personal recommendation is to fill lots of containers with water, and prepare to turn your window cavity and wheelie bin into dirt filled shields to stop the radiation coming in. Don't forget the threat from above, you will be wanting to have bags of dirty or other dense substances above the area you are hiding in.

Essential items to stockpile:
1. Toilet paper
2. Baking powder
3. Playstation 5's and graphics cards
4. Microprocessors and microcontrollers
5. Beer
6. Milk. Some to drink, some to watch go off
7. Solar panels to charge your phone, and porn so you have something to use your phone for
8. Pasta
9. More beer


Aside from the initial neutron flux of the explosion most radiation dose is from long term contact with fall-out, which is basically dust. Don't go outside and keep your windows closed until it rains.
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PostPosted: 00:14 - 20 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Im-a-Ridah wrote:
Today just a casual ballistic missile, hypersonic missile, and cruise missile test to demonstrate Russian nuclear forces. It's the sort of thing you do when you've got extreme tensions and a mere 150,000 to 190,000 troops on your neighbours border Rolling Eyes

Are You Kranian?
Maybe its time for a "nuclear defence test"? My personal recommendation is to fill lots of containers with water, and prepare to turn your window cavity and wheelie bin into dirt filled shields to stop the radiation coming in. Don't forget the threat from above, you will be wanting to have bags of dirty or other dense substances above the area you are hiding in.

Essential items to stockpile:
1. Toilet paper
2. Baking powder
3. Playstation 5's and graphics cards
4. Microprocessors and microcontrollers
5. Beer
6. Milk. Some to drink, some to watch go off
7. Solar panels to charge your phone, and porn so you have something to use your phone for
8. Pasta
9. More beer


Aside from the initial neutron flux of the explosion most radiation dose is from long term contact with fall-out, which is basically dust. Don't go outside and keep your windows closed until it rains.


I was mostly joking but if we being serious then I agree. In practice it's slightly harder since you need to know if the blast will hit you or not. If you are near the blast you need to open your windows to let the pressure equalize so you actually have something to shut!

For fallout then yes, close the windows. You will also need to fill the void of the window with dirt using wood to make a box as the glass offers basically zero shielding against Gamma radiation. And any breaks in the glass will need to be covered with plastic or tape to prevent dust getting in, but this is against Alpha and Beta. How much dirt and sand you put outside really depends how bothered you are about getting cancer. Most people are in this category except perhaps Londoners.

What people should never do is build a nuclear bunker as it will just become a grave. If you can afford a properly built nuclear bunker than you can probably afford a second home in Peru or other country not in the target zone Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:58 - 20 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
If you are near the blast it's game over for you sonny!


FTFY.
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PostPosted: 06:39 - 20 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

All the sabre rattling, rhetoric , and posturing from the West will mean nothing.
If Putin/Russia want to roll into the Ukraine they will and the West won’t be able to do anything about it.
I’ll bet my last dollar that IF Russia wanted to, they could double or triple the number of troops they have there at the moment.

The West with all its separate/broken states and factions would have to be incredibly stupid to pick a fight with Russia.

Look into modern history.
WW2 = Germany and the axis forces swept into Russia and were repelled by the sheer numbers and size of Russia.
Napoleon and his combined armies couldn’t defeat Russia.

The West has to many different interests from to many different places to be united or co-ordinated to be of any significance.
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 20 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bhud wrote:
Too depressing to think about, sorry. Laughing


I feel the same way. It all looks like a big game being played by the US and Russia. Its all so blatantly twisted it makes me sick
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PostPosted: 22:17 - 20 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

pepperami wrote:
Look into modern history.
WW2 = Germany and the axis forces swept into Russia and were repelled by the sheer numbers and size of Russia.
Napoleon and his combined armies couldn’t defeat Russia.


Look a bit more closely. The germans had a lot less troops and I mean a lot less, they did have air support though... even so Stalingrad could have gone either way. Logistics did for the germans not the number of Soviet troops.
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PostPosted: 23:04 - 20 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
pepperami wrote:
Look into size of Russia.


. Logistics did for the germans.
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There you go , Russia was just to big , and probably still is?
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PostPosted: 23:13 - 20 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

With reference to the Cuban missile crisis, what did the US do when the Ruskies stuck a load of missiles on their doorstep?.... and a few years later what did they do to Grenada when they got too pally with the Ruskies...

Well, the Ruskies feel exactly the same way when the US/big business/elites payed millions in slush funds to cause shite in the countries surrounding the Ruskies neighbourhood, then low and behold the US want to offer them a sweet (for the US anyway) deal to make everything go away.

This senario is played out all over the world not just by the US, but by most of the western worlds governments, businesses and elites. Putin doesn't want US missiles on his doorstep, and if it looks like the current government of Ukraine are sidling up the the US, IMO, there's a pretty high probability Putin will go in, just to stop the US planting more weapons on his doorstep..

Unlike Brandon, Putin is NOT stupid, but we all know Biden isn't running the show, so it'll be chinky interests.
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PostPosted: 11:16 - 21 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

pepperami wrote:
There you go , Russia was just to big , and probably still is?


Not really, it's big in the same way Canada is big. Only the western bit of Russia has any people to speak of.

Logistics wasn't so much the distance to cover as actually paying it the necessary attention. German railways were so woefully mismanaged one could be forgiven for thinking the Allies secretly installed double agents to run it.
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PostPosted: 11:21 - 21 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Easy-X"]
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Not really, it's big in the same way Canada is big. Only the western bit of Russia has any people to speak of.

Logistics wasn't so much the distance to cover as actually paying it the necessary attention. German railways were so woefully mismanaged one could be forgiven for thinking the Allies secretly installed double agents to run it.


Ever heard of Admiral Canaris

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Canaris#:~:text=Wilhelm%20Franz%20Canaris%20(1%20January,service)%20from%201935%20to%201944.
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 21 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

In WW2, the advantage of Russia's vast size meant a huge hinterland they could withdraw war industry into out of reach of the Germans. Also, once they were assured that Japan would not attack their eastern borders, they could free up large forces from there to bring to bear on the western enemy.

But the Russian campaign was where Hitler first started to show that he wasn't actually a military genius, when he stopped listening to his military commanders.
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 21 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:


But the Russian campaign was where Hitler first started to show that he wasn't actually a military genius, when he stopped listening to his military commanders.


You could say he was the ultimate armchair warrior Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:25 - 21 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course we hear very little about these charmers https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion we can only assume President Biden is a fan.
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PostPosted: 00:05 - 22 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
Of course we hear very little about these charmers https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion we can only assume President Biden is a fan.


This what you have to resort to when your defence forces are left to go down the sh1tter.
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PostPosted: 00:19 - 22 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:


This what you have to resort to when your defence forces are left to go down the sh1tter.


I don't buy that, I think "the Ukraine" is exactly that "the" Ukraine, a bonkers Russian province that's only been able to assert itself as some kind of independent state because of the rush by the west to hoover the stray leftovers up from the collapse of the Soviet Union. If Russia wants it let it have it.
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PostPosted: 01:32 - 22 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would I be right in saying that the pro-Russian part of the Ukraine borders Russia? If so, let Putin have that, the rest can be whatever it wants; independent, pro-western, whatever. Or is the argument then going to be over location of resources?
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 22 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I'm right in saying that all the countries under Soviet influence prior to the end of the Cold War had a sizeable influx of Russian settlers. Obviously a bit more meaningful at the border than say Cuba Smile

Anyway, ethnic cleansing is definitely a European hobby. This article on WW2 Germans seems appropriate:

https://theconversation.com/postwar-forced-resettlement-of-germans-echoes-through-the-decades-137219

Maybe kicking all the Ruskies out after Ukraine independence might have headed off this affair. Anyone got a time machine?
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