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PostPosted: 18:04 - 13 Feb 2022    Post subject: Nuclear fusion UK JET laboratory breakthrough? Reply with quote

BBC this week:
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Major breakthrough on nuclear fusion energy


https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-60312633



We're only twenty years away from having clear communication about nuclear fusion and always will be. Laughing

JET new record has Q=0.33 means the managed to recover only one third of the energy they have spent for the experiment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ4W1g-6JiY
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PostPosted: 19:09 - 13 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

UK scientists collaborating with European scientists? But… but…!
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This article puts it all quite well too. I guess it’s like lighting a fire. At some point ignition becomes sustained and the effort put in to starting it off is forgotten. If only we could keep it going, but it seems worthwhile because fusion would be safer than fission.
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PostPosted: 08:45 - 14 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do think a safe and effective way of harnessing fusion is possibly one of the only effective ways of managing the energy demands of our planet if we're to move away from fossil fuels completely. Solar, wind, wave etc. etc. are all good and well, but they just don't produce enough energy.
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 14 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

BBC Expert wrote:
And here's the problem: the need for carbon-free energy is urgent - and the government has pledged that all electricity in the UK must be zero emissions by 2035. That means nuclear, renewables and energy storage.


Oh noes, it's a climate emergency again.
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PostPosted: 09:20 - 15 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose you could metaphorically see it like this.

When man first rubbed two sticks together, he expended an awful lot of energy to get a tiny ember. (How the research is now)
However once he added the ember to the tinder , he got fire, ie more energy/warmth (what we are aiming for in the future).

This could be the first flashpoint (spark) of a new dawn.

My point being, this is the first step, we will get there, more than likely.
I doubt we will see it in our lifetime, just try to imagine the hugely complex issues the research team will need to resolve Shocked before this technology becomes viable or manageable.


After all, if you lived in the 1930’s and someone told you that man can produce one bomb that could destroy an entire city, you’d have laughed.
And if they told you that man could then tame that bomb and use the process to produce household electricity, you’d have laughed even more.
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 15 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very true. I find this sort of thing far more exciting than anything "tech related" (although clearly there is an overlap and the advancements with fusion would never happen with the tech advancements). With a reliable source of energy like fusion, so much could suddenly be possible. Clearly we could massively improve things on Earth, but other stuff could be feasible too, like lunar occupation for example - OK, so getting there might be challenging unless we can develop a new method of propulsion, but once there a fusion reactor could provide all the energy needed for heating, light, processing carbon dioxide into oxygen, supporting crops etc.. - the next 50 years (if I live that long) could be fascinating.
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PostPosted: 18:16 - 17 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThunderGuts wrote:
I do think a safe and effective way of harnessing fusion is possibly one of the only effective ways of managing the energy demands of our planet if we're to move away from fossil fuels completely. Solar, wind, wave etc. etc. are all good and well, but they just don't produce enough energy.


Maybe production is not the issue.

It's how energy is expended that matters more.
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 23 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a theory.
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PostPosted: 21:56 - 23 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

4% of the UKs energy needs are already provided directly by nuclear fusion.
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PostPosted: 22:10 - 23 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
4% of the UKs energy needs are already provided directly by nuclear fusion.

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That’s a pretty poor metric, isn’t it.
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PostPosted: 14:00 - 28 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the sticking point with fusion power?
Is it the technology to shape the magnet fields or whatever else that's holding it in place that needs work on or the physics behind the fusion itself?
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 28 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

The sticking point is getting more energy out than is going in (i.e. self sustaining)
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 28 Feb 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jmoan wrote:
What's the sticking point with fusion power?
Is it the technology to shape the magnet fields or whatever else that's holding it in place that needs work on or the physics behind the fusion itself?


The breakthrough was changing the lining of the tokamak from carbon which absorbs tritium to an alloy of beryllium and tungsten which doesn't. That leaves more of one of the fuel components available for fusion reactions.

Whether that's going to be enough of a breakthrough for the target of 50 minutes sustained reaction is another thing entirely...
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