Is there war looming in Europe and Ukraine?

[Polarbear]

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[Im-a-Ridah]

Note Germany is not going to certify the pipeline at this time.

When they start scrapping the pipeline, then they are serious. Right now Putin knows Germany will eventually certify, they will just wait a year or 2.

[Polarbear]

[Easy-X]

Is it just me or is anyone else struggling to care about the fate of Ukraine?
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Of course, the sensible solution to this, which nobody will take because it's not about that is to get the UN involved and get both sides to agree to abide by a UN decision on where the boundry should be and re-define the Ukraine/Russia border.

I have a mate who used to work for them in the 'stans after the breakdown of the USSR and his job basically consisted of going into an area with a big team and asking people on and around the boundry area if they considered themselves to be of nationality A or B and where they lived and worked, shopped, socialised and where their land was. Once they had plenty of data, they could plot a least-worst boundry line.
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NATO hasn’t been urging former Easter Bloc states to join; the EU has.

[Islander]

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[Im-a-Ridah]

[colin1]

The Nuclear non-proliferation stuff is looking a lot like, we dont want people to have nukes as they might be harder to invade.

The question is if Ukraine still had nukes and Russia invaded anyway, would they have used them?
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[Polarbear]

So Russia has launched a full scale invasion. We will now see how the west copes. I expect a big fat nothing other than posturing and TBH I don't really care that much except I'm sure we will have another 30 or 40 thousand refugees here in the not too distant future.

I'm thinking the western leaders are saying 'thank fuck we didn't admit them to NATO or we'd have to go to war over this. Val wii have to find a new way of bigging up Germany now they haven't managed to thwart Putin all by themselves.

It could be nasty or it could be a damp squib, we shall see.

As far as the BBC is concerned there are obviously more important things to worry about. The very next article on my news feed after the invasion one? Why are black Americans being punished for their hair?

We are one fucked up country.
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[Polarbear]

On another site I go on someone wrote this which I think is true, even if an increadibly sad portrayal of how low we have got.

No surprise to me at all. I thought freezing three blokes’ ISAs might not put him off. Johnson will be blowing hard through his wobbling cheeks, upper and lower, the German bloke will apologise while checking the gas is coming through, Biden will need his potty emptying before his next nap and Macron will squeak a lot.

Putin is a standard dictator. The west has been asleep for years. It’s weak. If the Russians are to reform the USSR, now is the time. Their sphere of influence will be the old USSR border, less East Germany - and if I were them I’d demanding that as a bare minimum now. Might is right, sadly.
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[Hetzer]

The russian people, or at least those at the top with so much to lose (their western privileges and playground) need to get a grip and drag that rabid piece of psychopathic filth out of its office, batter it into a grimy cell somewhere and put a bullet through its neck.
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[Ribenapigeon]

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Shows going to be over very fast, southern front is already collapsing.
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[Ribenapigeon]

I think a sinister statement by putin is not just that Russia intends to "de-nazify" Ukraine but also to "de-militarise". That does look like an indication they will head into the west of Ukraine. Likely a lot of the action against the Ukrainian military can be done via missiles but that would that achieve the total domination Putin seems to be aiming for?