The Mason Greenwood case.

[Polarbear]

I don't know if anyone saw the pictures or heard the video on social media of the bruises and rape of his girlfiend. Pretty horrible stuff to have been made public but I wonder if this was the only way she thought she could get any justice.

A multi millionaire at twenty. Is it someone who thinks he is untouchable or a young man who has been totally corrupeted by fame and fortune? Probably the same thing really.

From the social media evidence he's as guilty as sin but there are already calls from certain quarters that until he is found guilty, he should be free to continue his career.

I do wonder if he is another that can't have a fair trial due to publicity though.

Any thoughts? Lock, key, throw away?
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[Im-a-Ridah]

He's going away for sure. Cops will want to make an example of him.

[Bhud]

Sort of ties in with that religion thing, don't you think?

The morality of the day: rape is wrong, but a wealthy celebrity can do no wrong. His victim is less famous, less important and probably much less wealthy than he is. Therefore, it's almost certain he cannot be found guilty of any wrongdoing, whether in the court of the media or in an actual court of justice. She isn't innocent enough and he isn't common enough, for him to go to jail over an obvious violent sex crime. There is a general consensus that rape and violence against women is wrong, but does it apply to the likes of him out there in the real world? Probably not. This is a failure of liberal society and democracy.

Nothing new about this problem. If there were a popular personage in Rome, it wouldn't matter if it were a (high class) orator or a (low class) gladiator. He would have a lot of women around him. Anything he did to them would be less "crime" and more "scandal".

Our technology isn't primitive any more, but our society still is.

[chickenstrip]

[stinkwheel]

I had to google who is Mason Greenwood.

Nobody important it would appear.
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[Polarbear]

[The Shaggy D.A.]

Had to google him too.

[A100man]

Can't be arsed to google him.
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[Easy-X]

More playa for Man U than player
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[Diggs]

Word on the street (i.e. my kid's view...) is that she thought the only way to draw attention to the matter so plod would have to take notice was to post something nasty on social media. Apparently she has said that if she'd just gone to the police, it would have been covered up. If that is true, it is a damning indictment of modern society and the power of money v the individual.

I did listen to it, and if genuine he deserves a 30 stretch in a cell with Big Queenie and his 14" wang...
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[pepperami]

If everything that has been reported is true.
I hope Big Queenie bites his bollocks off!
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[stinkwheel]

Only now, even if he did do something, he can successfully argue he wasn't given a fair trial due to media prejudice.
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[Keithy]

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[Polarbear]

[Easy-X]

"Your Honour, we find the defendant... famous!"
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[Old Git Racing]

A large percentage of rapes reported to the police dont result in any conviction, bet this one does.

OGR
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[Skudd]

Did he miss a penalty in a football match at all? If he did then you are just being racist, nothing to do with the act, just his face, and it's a culture thing that you wouldn't understand because you haven't suffered like he has.
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[stinkwheel]

The Raith Rovers player incident seems more interesting to me.

So they guy was convicted by a civil court of rape, not sure what the penalty would have been. Five years later he's taken on by a football team, presumably in the knowledge this was the case.

A sponsor of the team kicks-off threatening to withdraw support if they continue to employ him and equips herself with a baying mob. Team backs down, say they wont play him and want to "re-negotiate" his contract.

Even the Nicola Sturgeon stuck her oar in.

Raises all manner of questions.

He was convicted in a civil court where there is a lower burden of proof. Presumably his case did not meet the test of there being enough evidence to prove it "beyond reasonable doubt." to go to criminal trial and the civil court did not referr the case for criminal trial. My understanding is this was one of the sketchier cases where they ruled the woman was too drunk to give consent.

So are we at a place now where this guy can never work again because a balance of probability is he had sex with someone who was too drunk to know what they were doing?

Where would Val McDermid and Nicola Sturgeon like this guy to work? When is he allowed to work again and what is he allowed to do? Or should he just be an unemployed burden on society for the rest of his life or perhaps just be shot in the back of the head?

I can't help thinking if he'd been convicted in a criminal court, he'd have been out by now anyway and perhaps people would have been happier that he'd been adequately punished? Is a civil conviction for rape effectively a life sentence? Was a civil case pushed because the evidence was known to be sketchy? My impression is if this case had gone to a Scottish criminal court, it would probably have been returned as "not proven".

Would he have a case for wrongful dismissal if he is being dismissed for something the employer knew to be the case when the contract was signed?
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