When will we get an EV commuter bike with decent range?

[Pete.]

I'm really getting into the idea of an EV bike for work but there's nothing out there that really floats my boat. What I want is:

80-100 foot pounds of torque
200 miles range or at least 160 miles.
Proper 'big bike' size and shape.

I love my BMW boxer for it's road manners and longevity but it's getting very long in the tooth now and I'm trying to make it hang on until something electric becomes available that is suitable to me.

I want something that will soak up both town riding and motorways/fast road. 90% of my work is in London so up to 30 miles each way but sometimes I have to travel further like 4 months I did in Watford so just over 100 miles round trip, plus I want at least 50% overhead.

I don't want any of the yank offerings like Zero purely and simply because I want all metric fasteners on my bike. Not interested in stoopid performance figures either I'd happily trade top speed for range.

What is there that comes close?
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132.9mph off and walked away. Gear is good, gear is good, gear is very very good

[MarJay]

The theory is that electric motorcycles will just be electric bicycles. The current thing for building electric bikes that are like big motorcycles is just to keep us olds calm while the electric revolution takes over.

That said, Triumph are working on their Electric Speed Triple thing which should have a good range and power:

https://www.triumphmotorcycles.co.uk/for-the-ride/brand/project-triumph-te-1/phase-3
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[Pete.]

[Kawasaki Jimbo]

Until a new battery chemistry emerges (and after a century of research I wouldn’t hold your breath, I think it’s a spent endeavour) vehicle manufacturers are just fiddling at the edges to claim 2-3% of “industry-leading” performance, and that’s still a choice between range and performance, not both as the blurb likes to imply.

That said, I surprised myself recently by considering a house move slightly further away from work and offsetting it with a second-hand electric shit-box. Taking advantage before EVs are inevitably taxed to the max. I didn’t though. One has one’s standards.

[Easy-X]

We could have electric motorbikes with better range but the manufacturers don't seem to want to make them. Maybe it's the R&D costs that dictate they only chase the high end of the market
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[MarJay]

[MCN]

Until they have drive in drive out battery exchange stations I'm not considering electric.
Who has the patience to wait 1/2 hour or more to fill the 'tank'?
I do long 600 mile trips and only want to have to stop to pee and have a cuppa tea.
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[Ayrton]

[Pete.]

[Easy-X]

[Pete.]

[sickpup]

[xX-Alex-Xx]

[Fat Angry Scotsman]

[A100man]

[Easy-X]

Fuck the planet, use aviation fuel:

How a jetpack design helped create a flying motorbike

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/15AEC/production/_123221888_210831_desertbackgrounds2.jpg
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[Fat Angry Scotsman]

[xX-Alex-Xx]

[Londoner2015]

OP, my very personal crystal ball says never

The range of electric motorcycles can already make sense for most (not all) commuters. But the problems remain cost and charging points.

Most people in a city like London do not have a driveway where to charge every couple of days. With an electric car you can charge overnight in a public charging point every few weeks (depending on mileage, obviously). With an electric motorcycles you'd charge way more frequently, but, since each charge lasts less than a car, you cannot leave it overnight without paying the idle fee many points charge. Do you want to come back from work, park at a charging point, start charging, walk home, then after 3-4 hours go back, disconnect the bike and move it? Too much hassle for me.

The Silence S01 is a 125cc equivalent scooter, with a cool removable battery on a trolley. But I doubt you can do the same for a Zero.

For motorcycles to be used outside the city, the range is simply not there. Will we get there? Well, some revolutionary discovery is always possible, but I doubt it. You can't really squeeze more power in the same space, nor do motorcycles offer plenty of room to add more battery.

Ah, watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2zlYpy6QCM

[Pete.]

I can put up to a 7kw charging point at home so that isn't a problem. I couldeven put a solar array on my workshop roof but that would only gain me free charges on the weekend or a bit in the summer coz the sun doesn't shine at night.

As for that video, I was hoping that it would contain something useful but it didn't really.
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132.9mph off and walked away. Gear is good, gear is good, gear is very very good

[temeluchus]

Riding for leisure is bad for the environment. Personal transport is purely for travel to and from work, drone.
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[Polarbear]

Wifie has a 50 mile round trip for work and it's getting expensive in her Ford Torneo 1.5 litre with the price of fuel.

We looked at electric cars but the initial outlay means donkeys years until she would break even let alone make money so she looked at using our Fazer hack but even that isn't hugly fuel saving although obviously a lot quicker (and less convenient for her).

We have pretty well decided on a cheap sh1t box eco city car just for that use and sell the Jag and I use the Torneo day to day(her idea )

An electric bike with a hundred mile range would be a viable option but I'm seriously not spending Street twin money on a shitty Zero or similar.
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[Diggs]

[Easy-X]

With the right gearing you could easily get north of 40mph with the BBSHD.

I notice there's quite a few "hybrid" push bike frames available (look more like old skool dirt bikes) that you could drop in a modest 3kW rear hub motor and probably squeeze out 50+ miles @ 40~50mph.
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