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Polarbear
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PostPosted: 08:58 - 15 Mar 2022    Post subject: Insurance, again. Reply with quote

I witnessed a little prang at a roundabout today. Lady in a little city car had one of those big american type pickups go into the back of her at a roundabout. Totally not her fault but those bull bars didn't half make a mess of the rear of her car.

But it got me thinking. (stop smirking).

I have heard that no fault claims put your insurance premium up. If, as in this case, you are in the right and there is someone to claim off, would you still get a hike in your premium? Is it still classed as a no fault claim?

Just a purely random query brought on by a woman ranting at the pickup driver about insurance. Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:09 - 15 Mar 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can claim for the subsequent increase from the driver at fault, if you can quantify it....
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PostPosted: 09:16 - 15 Mar 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
You can claim for the subsequent increase from the driver at fault, if you can quantify it....


Really? I suppose that's logical, it's an expense accrued from the persons driving so makes sense.
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PostPosted: 10:53 - 15 Mar 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see decreases year on year, I haven't had an accident in a while but I have never had an 'increased' visible premium, even with a no fault 1/4m claim. Obviously it could work in this way;

Year 1 £1500
Year 2 £800

Year 1 £1500 no fault claim
Year 2 £900


But again, I don't see anything but lower premiums

Same with points, I get lower prices.

Perhaps I am an anomaly, but I don't think I am.

That said declaring my Almax when I got my GSXR insurance increased the price Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:29 - 15 Mar 2022    Post subject: Re: Insurance, again. Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
I have heard that no fault claims put your insurance premium up. If, as in this case, you are in the right and there is someone to claim off, would you still get a hike in your premium?

Absolutely you may do. In insurance land, someone who makes one no-fault claim is considered more likely to make another no-fault claim in the future that someone who hasn't done so.

Consider your unfortunate city car lady... maybe she could have set off from the roundabout, saw a vehicle approaching which she hadn't noticed, and so jammed on the anchors without warning, causing the pick-up to pile into the back of her. That scenario would unequivocally be the fault of the pick-up and his insurance would have to cough up. But it's highly likely that city car lady - a shit driver in this scenario by all accounts - would do the same or similar again in the future; ie she's a higher insurance risk who hasn't been involved in an accident.

I remember years ago my granny saying proudly 'in all my years of driving I never had a single accident' and us grandkids would mutter 'yeah but how many did you leave behind in your wake?')
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 15 Mar 2022    Post subject: Re: Insurance, again. Reply with quote

Freddyfruitbat wrote:
Polarbear wrote:
I have heard that no fault claims put your insurance premium up. If, as in this case, you are in the right and there is someone to claim off, would you still get a hike in your premium?

Absolutely you may do. In insurance land, someone who makes one no-fault claim is considered more likely to make another no-fault claim in the future that someone who hasn't done so.

Consider your unfortunate city car lady... maybe she could have set off from the roundabout, saw a vehicle approaching which she hadn't noticed, and so jammed on the anchors without warning, causing the pick-up to pile into the back of her. That scenario would unequivocally be the fault of the pick-up and his insurance would have to cough up. But it's highly likely that city car lady - a shit driver in this scenario by all accounts - would do the same or similar again in the future; ie she's a higher insurance risk who hasn't been involved in an accident.

I remember years ago my granny saying proudly 'in all my years of driving I never had a single accident' and us grandkids would mutter 'yeah but how many did you leave behind in your wake?')


This does happen.

I used to know someone who was a shit driver like that. Her observational and hazard perception skills were totally non-existent.

She had loads of accidents - probably about a dozen in the couple of years I knew her - but there were only a couple of them where she was deemed at fault.

She claimed she was just unlucky. But no, she was a shit driver. So in her case I'm glad her insurance got loaded. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 09:52 - 17 Mar 2022    Post subject: Re: Insurance, again. Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
I witnessed a little prang at a roundabout today. Lady in a little city car had one of those big american type pickups go into the back of her at a roundabout. Totally not her fault but those bull bars didn't half make a mess of the rear of her car.

But it got me thinking. (stop smirking).

I have heard that no fault claims put your insurance premium up. If, as in this case, you are in the right and there is someone to claim off, would you still get a hike in your premium? Is it still classed as a no fault claim?

Just a purely random query brought on by a woman ranting at the pickup driver about insurance. Laughing


Yes, your future premiums may be loaded.
Usually that is due to the models insurers use to calculate risk.
More claims in a particular area, from a particular age/sex/race Very Happy and other demographics.

The whole insurance thing is based on a lot of big maths.

The extra premium may not be that much.

Who knows WTF those Insurance Moguls cook-up in their empire of claims?
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 17 Mar 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Professional insurancer here hi!

Your premium ‘shouldn’t’ go up directly because of a non fault claim, but there are some scenarios that would.

1. If the crash is near your renewal date while they decide who is at fault they’ll step back your ncd and sting you there, you should get this back once fault has been established.

2. As someone else said, if you’re driving an uncommon car it’s going to bring up the average claim frequency for that model which the really big brains would look at.

3. You’re with a shitty insurer that will take any opportunity to rinse you for extra premium, in my limited experience a lot of motorcycle insurers fall into this bracket, if they’re charging £20+ admin fee for changes £45+ cancellation fee all on top of a policy arrangement fee (they’ll be taking commission too probably as they’re not composite insurers) then they’ll be counting fault and non fault claims the same and only ncd will make a difference.


I’ve got no solid evidence for number 3. But it’s the sort of thing I’ve heard and wouldn’t be surprised from my dealings
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