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GfromLT
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 14 Apr 2022    Post subject: Did an oppsie on highway, need help diagnosing Reply with quote

Hello. Any mechanics out here? Gotta a problem (but it might not be a problem).
Im new rider, wanned to "feel" the bike , went outta on highway doing some 70mph and i shifted into 3rd from 4th, bike made not so nice noises, stalled and i rolled to a stop. Tried turning it on again with no luck, it would start, run for few seconds and die. Pushed it home. After few hours i tried starting it again, it did, start wasnt rough, sounded normal, however now I have to give it more choke than before to run, at idle it sounds like little tractor. Drove around slowly, gears seem to be in their places, and it still cluncks into first, so I guess there wasnt catastrophical gear failure? How ever low idle rpm seems abit odd.
I did have some problems with fuel before "accident", because it would run rough/stall without a choke.
Bikes is 98' yamaha xj600s diversion (seca II in USA)

Should I be worried? (About the bike, not my riding skills)
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PostPosted: 18:19 - 14 Apr 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

3rd at 70 shouldn't hurt it at all. Did you just shit yourself and let it roll to the side of the road with the clutch out until it finally stalled and am now looking for an excuse for it?
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PostPosted: 18:33 - 14 Apr 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
3rd at 70 shouldn't hurt it at all. Did you just shit yourself and let it roll to the side of the road with the clutch out until it finally stalled and am now looking for an excuse for it?

Love the comedic relief Laughing
Sadly no, bike shut down after I let the clutch go, what pains me that I did really just let it go after downshifting. At one point it felt like engine wasnt running but parts inside were moving because of clutch engaged and bike rolling.
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PostPosted: 18:34 - 14 Apr 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

You remembered to put petrol in? Manual fuel tap?
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 14 Apr 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

xX-Alex-Xx wrote:
You remembered to put petrol in? Manual fuel tap?


Tanks half full. Tap is always on.
I have heard about incidents where leaving it on does a mess, somehow it gets to carbs, carbs get flooded, floods engine... but previous owner said he always keep it open and it was fine.
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PostPosted: 18:50 - 14 Apr 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi
from the symptoms you might have skipped a tooth on the cam chain, it would be well worth checking the alignment.
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PostPosted: 19:09 - 14 Apr 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Either that or you're only running on 3 and a half cylinders cos you're not fully sparking on one.
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 14 Apr 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snapped drive belt/chain.
Swanked clutch drive.
If you can push the hoowur fwd and bwd in gear engine off then theres an expensive mechanical mesh inside the engine/gearbox/clutch housing or the fibal drive. (Chain, front sprocket cush drive)

p.s.
Highway?

R U Murican?
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PostPosted: 19:59 - 14 Apr 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
Snapped drive belt/chain.
Swanked clutch drive.
If you can push the hoowur fwd and bwd in gear engine off then theres an expensive mechanical mesh inside the engine/gearbox/clutch housing or the fibal drive. (Chain, front sprocket cush drive)

p.s.
Highway?

R U Murican?


The chains there, on the bike. Shouldve done the push test, altough i drove the bike slowly around parking lot changing gears and it drove.

Well, how else do you call a road that has no intersections and speed is 100+kph there?

Im not murican, but are you murican? Smile
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 14 Apr 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Germany, autobahn. In the uk, motorway.
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PostPosted: 22:14 - 14 Apr 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

GfromLT wrote:
The chains there, on the bike. Shouldve done the push test, altough i drove the bike slowly around parking lot changing gears and it drove.

Well, how else do you call a road that has no intersections and speed is 100+kph there?

Im not murican, but are you murican? Smile


Nope, I'm not Murican.

I'm Scot-ish. Cool
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PostPosted: 00:18 - 15 Apr 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bloody hell, there's a lot of doom mongers on this thread.
Why don't we start with the simple stuff like the tank breather? It has all the hallmarks of a fuelling/air issue.

Edit: Which state are you in, VT?
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PostPosted: 01:54 - 15 Apr 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

LT is Lithuania
Missing gear and over revving is not usually fatal
unless the engine is in very poor state

Sounds like it needs some servicing anyway
so just get a manual and do that.
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PostPosted: 02:14 - 15 Apr 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
LT is Lithuania
Missing gear and over revving is not usually fatal
unless the engine is in very poor state

Sounds like it needs some servicing anyway
so just get a manual and do that.


Push rod engine can easily bend a push rod or shnap a rocker arm.
Or worserer a valve head clatters the top of a piston.
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PostPosted: 06:47 - 15 Apr 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:

Push rod engine can easily bend a push rod or shnap a rocker arm.
Or worserer a valve head clatters the top of a piston.


Engine has chain timming, two camshafts with two valves per cylinder.
What I am afraid of, is that I might smashed one or more valves with pistons.
That would bend the valve, make it not close properly and lose compression?
Is there a way to measure/test this?
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PostPosted: 07:39 - 15 Apr 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

To test compression you need.... wait for it...... a compression tester....
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PostPosted: 08:30 - 15 Apr 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing to check is if any of the plugs are loose. Also check the condition of the plug electrodes.

Is it running on all 4 cylinders? A spot of oil on each header pipe will tell you if they are all getting hot.
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PostPosted: 08:44 - 15 Apr 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
One thing to check is if any of the plugs are loose. Also check the condition of the plug electrodes.

Is it running on all 4 cylinders? A spot of oil on each header pipe will tell you if they are all getting hot.


Good suggestions here.. 'Tractor sound' will be same as runnig on 2 or 3 cylinders..

Steps:

1 Is it running on all four - check as Stinkwheel suggestion.. if not
2) check all plugs are sparking if yes >
3) check fuelling/ clean carbs, if good >
4) check compression - should be close across all cylinders and above 120 PSI
if compression bad then it likely point to valve damage or valve train adjustments needed
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PostPosted: 14:19 - 15 Apr 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 'tractor' like sound may be just a blown exhaust seal for all we know

Best take a phone vid and post it to IMGUR/Youtube or similar
and put the link to it here
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PostPosted: 16:26 - 15 Apr 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte's idea is good. Make a video, upload it to Youtube, and set it to private if you like. Let's hear it idle. In your video, pull in the clutch and show us if this makes a difference to the tractor-like sound. Spray some water on your exhaust headers after starting from cold, to check they're all getting hot.
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PostPosted: 16:40 - 15 Apr 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spray the water on when cold and then start it...
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PostPosted: 12:02 - 16 Apr 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you WD forte, Bhud and others for advice.
Right now im away for holiday (different town). I do have thermal camera at work, Ill borrow it to see the exhaust header temperatures and upload a video of idling when im back.
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PostPosted: 12:06 - 16 Apr 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

New rider, 25 year old bike. I'm assuming you haven't been riding it hard, and it sounds like the bike will have the sort of usual issues found on a 25 year old bike sold to a new rider.

This is likely the first time in a while that the bike seen 70 in 3rd, in a somewhat violent manner. So it had a sudden spike in pressure through the inlet, engine, and exhaust.

First place I would look is at the exhaust, to see if it has a hole in it somewhere in a rusty bit. Bike are very sensitive to their exhausts, even a small hole will make it sound strange and affect the performance.

If the exhaust is fine I would be looking at the inlet rubbers - between the carbs and engine - so see if there are any holes or splits there.

Checking the sparkplugs as stinkwheel said is a good bet.

Welcome to motorcycle ownership. You'll learn to fix things fairly quickly, they break a lot and need a lot of routine maintenance. Unlike a car where you can service it once a year, you will need to check engine oil, tyre pressures, chain tension and brake pad thickness quite frequently.

If you have any biker friends who are also good with spanners, ask them to check the bike over and see what they find. Every old bike will have issues that you won't notice, but make a big difference.
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PostPosted: 15:59 - 19 Apr 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
The 'tractor' like sound may be just a blown exhaust seal for all we know

Best take a phone vid and post it to IMGUR/Youtube or similar
and put the link to it here


Okay, so im went to the bike today, tried to drive, rode few hundred meters and it died, starting again was hard, had to pull the choke all way to start, i think I felt unsual vibrations.
About the videos.


Just after buying the bike, before screwing it up:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5oZjdv8XHU4

Here is how it wants to start without choke when WARM:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0U5-nkyzRo

I really dont like the sounds its making when rpm is ~1k.

Here how its working COLD-ish:
https://youtu.be/QVpQRDgr9Ak

I check all 4 exhaust headers were hot, so the cyllinders are firing. Plugs are not lose, I didnt remove them tho.

From common knowledge, the knocking sound at ~1k rpm sound like camshaft, crackshaft or pistons or something in between vibrating the way they shouldnt.


Tell me straight doc, how bad is it?


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PostPosted: 16:09 - 19 Apr 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's nothing wrong with the motor, its either fueling or electrical.
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