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Posted: 23:48 - 08 May 2022 Post subject: |
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TRL means Threaded; Rebound adjustment, Length adjustment.
So they are exactly the same spec shock other than you can adjust the length of the one you have by screwing one end in and out by about + or - 5mm. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Since we're on this pretty niche subject, do you know if the shock for the 5th gen is significantly different from the 4th and 6th gen ones?
To me (and this is honestly just from feel alone) the 5th gen feels like it has a shorter stroke and is less plush than either of the ones I've had on my 750. ____________________ Current - '94 VFR750FR, '00 VFR800FI Previous - '10 Street Triple R, '92 MZ ETZ301, '05 TTR250, NSR125R, KMX125, "Honda" Win (chinese copy of an old Honda design with a C90 engine)
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stinkwheel wrote: | Zen Dog wrote: | Since we're on this pretty niche subject, do you know if the shock for the 5th gen is significantly different from the 4th and 6th gen ones?
To me (and this is honestly just from feel alone) the 5th gen feels like it has a shorter stroke and is less plush than either of the ones I've had on my 750. |
I should add my mate had a 5th gen from new and he wasn't happy with the shock either. He fitted a nice WP one in the end. |
I reckon after developing the RC45 and then the 5th gen RC46 frame and engine, and probably the fairing and all that too Honda's money men stepped in and said "Wait Honourable designer-San! You can't sell this for a price people will pay, you need to save some Yen!"
The designer replied "Ok, how many Yen"
Accountant: "A LOT of Yen"
designer: "Hold on Lads, you know that great suspension and brakes we were thinking about? Chuck 'em away, the budget for suspension and brakes is now basically zero".
I think a 5th gen would make an ace platform for a sleeper. Stick some Blade forks on it, a Nitron shock, strip out some of the unnecessary weight (structure in the rear subframe and under the tank, put a fibreglass fairing on it) and you could have something of a weapon. The reason nobody does it though, is it's waaaay cheaper and easier just to go out and buy a FireBlade. ____________________ British beauty: Triumph Street Triple R; Loony stroker: KR1S; Track fun: GSXR750 L1; Commuter Missile: GSX-S1000F
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After doing a decent amount of riding on the 800 now, I've come to the conclusion that the 750 is definitely the better bike. Not massively, but it's slightly better in pretty much every area.
The 800 has FI which should be a plus really, but it definitely robs the engine of some character. It has daft dual radiators like the firestorm. The handling isn't as good, the rear feels harsh and I get better feel from the front of my 750. They replaced the fairing fastening system with one involving compressing little rubber bungs that seize and then just rotate in their holes. Loads of other little things, but even the one area it should definitely win on, the brakes, which are definitely the weakest bit of the 750, they managed to bugger up with the linked brakes nonsense.
It just seems like the 750 is over engineered in the positive sense of the term, and the 800 in the negative sense of it. Feels like with the 800 no-one ever said to the engineers "that's new and interesting and kinda cool from an engineering perspective, but is it actually better?" ____________________ Current - '94 VFR750FR, '00 VFR800FI Previous - '10 Street Triple R, '92 MZ ETZ301, '05 TTR250, NSR125R, KMX125, "Honda" Win (chinese copy of an old Honda design with a C90 engine)
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I liked my 800 but wished it was 50kg lighter and had decent suspension. Also another 20-50bhp would have been useful.
Then I rode the GSX-S1000F. It's almost better in every single way. The few ways it isn't better are as follows:
No wrap around screen so wind protection isn't quite as good, but wind tunnel tested so not actually all that bad
Build quality. Up there with Suzuki's best, but not with Honda's best.
Tank range, although it's good enough, it's not 220 miles good.
No ambient temperature gauge
But otherwise it's just better. Really great quality suspension at both ends, Brembo stylema calipers, more upright riding position, much less weight, 50 more horsepowers, better headlight etc. I'm glad I was forced to switch by the ULEZ, but a lot of that could be down to the fact that it's 18 years newer too... ____________________ British beauty: Triumph Street Triple R; Loony stroker: KR1S; Track fun: GSXR750 L1; Commuter Missile: GSX-S1000F
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 1 year, 349 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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