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ThunderGuts wrote: | superclarkey wrote: | I think the one thing that confuses me a little why there is a Mod1 and Mod2 for riders going straight for A license, because surely, can't see why you can't just do the Mod2 test and done deal |
As the previous poster, but also because the activities you do in the mod1 would generally be unsafe to do on the public road. While we (me included) find the mod1 as an activity to be very formulaic and unrealistic, it IS a way to test a rider's bike-handling abilities (to a point) in a safe environment.
Going back to the original topic, my summary;
Mod1 is very specific and rehearsed; lessons aren't needed in theory, but in practice you're very likely to fail without them as you simply won't be rehearsed in the nuances of what is required.
Mod2 is "just" riding a bike on the open road, but there are differences in what is looked for vs driving a car (primarily around defensive riding / safety etc..), so you need to have a three point capability; knowledge of the road (which you've probably got), good control of the bike (which you probably mostly have, but off-road riding isn't quite the same) and knowledge of bike-specific behaviours and techniques (which you probably don't have). This is why lessons are highly recommended for mod2.
The tests are only cheap if you rock up on your own machine, but there are all sorts of issues associated with that (transport, insurance etc..) unless you're happy to just get a licence for a 125 so in reality it's not actually that straightforward. Add into that a backlog of demand for test slots (I assume that's still the case anyway, it certainly was a little while back) and going the "keep trying until I pass" technique will get pretty drawn out I reckon.
I get the frustration, but you really do need to separate road motorcycling from anything else (road or off road) - it really is a different ball game with different rules. If you throw the money at a DAS course (£800 probably, ish) you'll probably have your licence within 2 months and will have accrued some skills along the way too. |
I understand its important to have a test off road that demonstrates the skills etc, but what I mean, is why you can't book for a Mod1+Mod2 at the same time, would make more sense to me.
And more importantly, if you have to do mod1 on a 125cc then isn't that a bit pointless if your going to ride a larger bike straight away on a mod2?
I'm presuming largest bike you can ride is a 125cc in a Mod1.
If so all I'm saying is, that in a car test you do a theory test, then take a practical, and your allowed on the road. It is understood by the point of taking the test you are road worthy. Where I think it breaks down a bit with the bike license, I could understand if you did CBT then had to have lessons and then do the practical Mod1 then you was allowed on the road... but if you do a CBT which we all agree is just the very basics to get you going... you are let loose on the road for upto 2 years... I fail to see after that why a Mod1 is valid, its a bit pointless in my eyes.
I hope you understand I don't disagree you should be tested, just seems a odd way of going about it imho. |
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Posted: 09:34 - 10 May 2022 Post subject: |
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superclarkey wrote: |
I understand its important to have a test off road that demonstrates the skills etc, but what I mean, is why you can't book for a Mod1+Mod2 at the same time, would make more sense to me.
And more importantly, if you have to do mod1 on a 125cc then isn't that a bit pointless if your going to ride a larger bike straight away on a mod2?
I'm presuming largest bike you can ride is a 125cc in a Mod1.
If so all I'm saying is, that in a car test you do a theory test, then take a practical, and your allowed on the road. It is understood by the point of taking the test you are road worthy. Where I think it breaks down a bit with the bike license, I could understand if you did CBT then had to have lessons and then do the practical Mod1 then you was allowed on the road... but if you do a CBT which we all agree is just the very basics to get you going... you are let loose on the road for upto 2 years... I fail to see after that why a Mod1 is valid, its a bit pointless in my eyes.
I hope you understand I don't disagree you should be tested, just seems a odd way of going about it imho. |
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Thanks for everyone help, I appreciate what you've all said (Good and bad), I was hoping to do this process without it costing over £1k, but if that isn't the case and it is impossible to pass without the help of a riding school then its a bit pointless for me and what my end goals are, which was to ride a enduro bike for short runs.
I've just cancelled my CBT and Theory, hopefully this brings down the waiting times for others
Will just forget the road going enduro bike and go for a full off-road version
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The main reason I've cancelled my CBT and Theory test is because as you might have guessed was to do it myself without help of riding school or very little use of a riding school.. now I can see that isn't possible (so you can't really have a go at me for listening to what your all sayin! lol) That route is off the table for me.
So if I do decide to a license then it does make sense to just pay and do direct access or intensive course. (I don't know if that is one and the same thing or schools still offer 1 week fully passed.. but unsure how they would do that).
So I've not 100% ruled it out for the rest of my life, just for now.
As for why can I spend that kinda money on a bike and refuse to pay £1000-1500 for the test.. its very simple.. I don't give away my money unless it is 100% necessary. I save hard, don't waste it, spend it on things I love.
My issue is just that I won't get much use out of it so its a bit pointless.. when I can still do 98% of things I want to do without it, I also have to factor buying in two sets of gear.. because I don't know how they would feel with me rocking up in Motorcross helmet and goggles and some Tech 7 racing boots lol.
If I was buying a superbike then sure, no question, get the test booked.
My biggest worry about most of this training schools is when I read the reviews online, there is allot of negative reviews of being scammed and basically taking extra money to complete the tests, so as I have very little trust in the human race when it come to money, I was trying to avoid that.
I'm sorry if I come across like a wanker that doesn't listen, its not the case, I've had it my whole life people telling me what I can't do, mainly because they couldn't do it themselves from their perspective, so I'm naturally programmed to listen, make my own judgement and try... the worst that will happen is you fail.. maybe even learn something from it.
In this situation, it's more a case it's not possible without help of riding school, and I can see if you're going to dip you toe in with them you may as well go the full hog.
There you go.. hope I've explained myself a bit.
(Oh and my insurance came back to me, they just said they can't cover me on any motorbike because my policy is very tailored to the job I do, and because I have Nurburgring cover for TF days and track days, they couldn't separate bikes from that, so its just a no go for them without rewriting the policy for me, which would be more then its worth to just insure the bike on my own) so a no, but just a little more complicated lol.. (we didn't even get to talking about the test thing haha). |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 1 year, 322 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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