EVs - are they clean?

[Easy-X]

Let's just focus on EVs for the moment rather than going down the well worn path of The Great Climate Change Grift

There's a lot of bitching over Euro 7. Mostly it's the emissions systems may be unworkable for small ICE cars. TBF small cars are probably doing short journeys and sorry, better off with an EV for that.

Interestingly Euro 7 does cover non-exhaust emissions. Be funny if loads of existing EVs turn out to not conform to Euro 7. (Thinking along the lines of getting your old bike certified as Euro 3 for the London ULEZ.)
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[chickenstrip]

[Polarbear]

So presuming you have a good reason to by an EV. (Wifie has a 50 mile round commute each day and it's getting very pricy with diesel costs and she isn't on a huge wage).

Is there any universal battery checks or test for 2nd hand EV's available or being created that could answer peoples concerns about battery condition does anyone know? Something you can compare different cars status?

All I actually know is that most batteries have a maximum of eight years guarantee and after that they could go on or fail at any time.(?) The thing for me is now being reliant on my pension I cannot afford £30+ thousand for a new car so it would have to be a second hand car for me with all the real or perceived risks that entails.

or

Leasing privatly seems very expensive, A Nissan Leaf , 36 months, 5000 miles per annum, is a downpayment of £1050. A processing fee of £299 and then £349 a month, for something I'll never own.

Same car, a PCP 36 month deal. £7500 deposit, £219 a moth and then a final figure of £14500 to buy it (just why would you?) (would you even pay that deposit for a second hand nissan leaf )

So both the above outside my finances so that just leaves 2nd hand and back to the question, How do you know if the battery is any good?
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[Easy-X]

Battery health can roughly be estimated from mileage but unfortunately it'll go down dramatically with fast charging over slow (overnight) charging and you'll have no idea how many times that's been done. A five year old car with low miles might even have more capacity than a 3yo with more miles.

Unfortunately you'll have to do your research for each particular model. Something like a Leaf you can cycle through the displays to get estimated capacity. It'll be hidden away somewhere on most electric cars.
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[Kawasaki Jimbo]

[stinkwheel]

I notice nobody is talking about ground level ozone emissions *yet*.

It's a thing, the stuff is pretty toxic and has a real impact on air quality. EVs are the biggest polluters in this regard.
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[UncleFester]

[UncleFester]

[Easy-X]

[Fat Angry Scotsman]

[stinkwheel]

[Fat Angry Scotsman]

[UncleFester]

The issue isn't wind turbines per se, its the ability to store the energy rather than turn them off that's the issue.
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[Easy-X]

The idea situation would be wind + tidal and then nuclear on the off days for generation. Hydro electric for storage. That might mean devastating most of the highlands of Wales and Scotland but it's a price I'm willing to pay
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[Fat Angry Scotsman]

[Polarbear]

There has been talk of a Severn barrage for ages. It'll never happen because the amount of opposition eould be immense. Stupid because it would at least be a project with huge plusses although we'd probably ask China to build it. Cheaper that way

Edited to add if it was built from Brean down across the channel, Weston -super-Mare would have the tide in more often than it does now.
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[Im-a-Ridah]

The biggest problem with EVs IMO is that they are trying to make the car eco which is the wrong problem. As Chickenstrip said, no actual incentives.

A better approach would be to introduce free at point of use trams in towns and cities with overhead powerlines. This would in turn massively reduce demand for cars in general and would only require one relatively small battery for backup. It being free is key as people will mentally just hop on and off at will. To sweeten the pill for Tories we could help pay for the initial cost by adding £1 to the tube fare and using that to pay for trams outside of London.

[Fat Angry Scotsman]

[UncleFester]

The point is that if you want a modern transport system AND you want people to use it .... taxing them onto something that is worse than what they were already using is not an incentive.

Decide on a transport system and provide it because it's the right system and if it needs subsidising then so be it.

Rather than making the car the worst option and trying to crowbar folk out of it, make the transport so good that they only want to use that and nothing else.

Have you ever been to Stockholm and used the Bus / Tram / Metro? One ticket ALL modes of transport. Clean, well priced, on time and easy / pleasant to use.
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[Fat Angry Scotsman]

[UncleFester]

Paris en masse tbh. It's as seedy as f**k. If you get lost in the districts you'd be better be hard as nails.
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[Im-a-Ridah]

[Polarbear]

I stayed with friends in karlsruhe in Germany where they have a huge tram system that is dirt cheap. So cheap and efficient people don't bother taking cars into the city.

But, it costs a fortune to run, It's basically a mini rail system. We are talking hundreds of trams, not a couple an hour.

It would be a complete change of heart in UK to run them. BUT, we have just paid a few billion for a line in London that never really needed it. But hey, London rools, the sticks drool. Or something like that.
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[Im-a-Ridah]

[Fat Angry Scotsman]