Mental health and guns

[Polarbear]

I'm talking Europe now as we all know any lunatic can get a gun in the good old US of A.

I would say there is a lot of using mental health tags to mask the fact authorities don't want blame attached to ethnicities or religiuos groups but in some cases, like this one in Denmark, it looks to be true.

I'm presuming that as the Danish are saying Soeren Thomassen said police do not believe the attack was an act of terror and that the suspect has a history of mental health issues. that he got the guns illegally but then they say Police say the shooter was armed with a rifle, a pistol and a knife, and while the guns are not believed to be illegal, the suspect did not have a licence for them.

So someone gave them to him or he stole them? Is stealing even feasable as I presume guns have to be kept in a very secure location?

I wonder when the knee jerk reaction to one of these attacks in Europe will be 'Ban all guns in private ownership' because it will happen at some point. Think of the children.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-62031793
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No race or religous aspects to these, just crazy shit
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[Easy-X]

In Europe guns are about as redundant as cigarette lighters. Even if you have a valid use, e.g. gamekeeper shooting vermin, the animal rights ppl pop up to say how cruel it is (these being the same ppl who set mink free from pelt farms.) And we certainly have no God-given right to defend ourselves against an oppressive government.

Get rid of all the guns then the crossbows, hunting knives and so on... they'll get to the point were special teams comb the woods and forests for particularly pointy sticks! All to avoid talking about the real issue
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[M.C]

I don't understand how mental health is a justification, people are always going to snap, the question is what weapons do you want them to have access to when they do.

[Polarbear]

Just in case they were feeling left out, America delivers.....

Illinois shooting: Six dead in 4 July parade shooting near Chicago

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-62042636
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[M.C]

My problem with all the US mass shooting coverage is it's not exactly rare there. I get when there's a bigger one or a kindergarten shooting, but as harsh as it sounds I'm kinda sick of hearing about it now.

The one in Copenhagen (first in seven years?) or the one we had in Plymouth (first in eleven years) that's unusual/newsworthy.

[Im-a-Ridah]

Banning guns does not work. If you want a gun then there are plenty of good options for getting one for mass murder. Cops have guns, so just knife one and take the pistol. Whatever the penalty is for gun ownership it is always less than mass murder. Or just go to another country and get a gun there. Guns aren't even the most lethal option so it may have the downside of pushing people into even more lethal routes. Vehicles or JCBs are incredibly dangerous. They may also move away from the big dramatic event to the much harder to prevent sequence of less dramatic events e.g serial killer style. Imagine someone misusing a pickup truck to kill pedestrians and cyclists at night, a couple at a time. Or they start to poison baby formula. Guns were only restricted originally because they are unique not in their ability to kill but their ability to reliably kill a specific individual in a position of power and authority from a safe distance. Protecting us is just a byproduct.

[Easy-X]

Guns do have a bit of drama about them: loud bang, intricate mechanical design (not many female mass-shooters BTW.) Shipman murdered hundreds maybe a thousand ppl and yet it doesn't have quite the same impact as a guy in a tower block shooting ppl right now "...live from Channel 9 News!"

The stats are always interesting. The largest proportion of gun related deaths in the USA are suicides followed closely by murder. The number of State sanctioned deaths (police, army, national guard etc.) are trivial in comparison. Also worth bearing in mind cancer takes ten times as many ppl as guns every year.
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[Ribenapigeon]

The irony is that the NRA and other pro gun lobby in the US are trying to use the mental health argument but it was their demi-god Reagans administration that cut back on public mental health services back in the eighties.

[M.C]

[M.C]

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is that another one of those mentally sound trannys?
they seem to be becoming a bit over represented in the mass shooting statistics.
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[Im-a-Ridah]

[Weisse Schlange]

No guns are banned in the UK, there use is restricted that's all. By that I mean all types of guns. There are machine guns in private ownership in the UK. Quite a few actually, you can also be sure you live close to someone who legally keeps a handgun.

Handguns are banned in Japan, so the assassin made his own. Killers will find a way to kill, so banning doesn't work.


In the UK they have made a doctors cert a requisite of FAC issue because as has been said, guns are not the issue, mental health and incorrectly issues FAC's are.

The UK is also flooded with illegally held guns, so, you know, criminals have guns, law abiding people aren't allowed them cause guns are bad etc etc.

I'm all for gun ownership for home defence and self defence.
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[Ribenapigeon]

What about the desire to kill en mass? Regardless of what kind of weapon is used. Is the US a culture which promotes that desire in individuals more than other cultures? If so what can we draw from such a conclusion?

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[M.C]

[Nobby the Bastard]

Sorry but handguns absolutely banned in the uk unless military or police.

Same with automatic weapons.
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[Nobby the Bastard]

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/27

Para 5 is the relevant one.
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[MCN]

Ppl talkin' shit bout the ease of gettin guns in Europe.

It is extremely difficult to gedagun in European countries (including the U.K.)
I dare anyone on here to produce a gun they got from 'someplace' that obviously is not registered to them.
(Borrowing a gun from your mate for the bet doesnt count.)
Having a beef with someone/something and pulling a gun to resolve the beef is not so simple in civilised countries

We have very very robust arrangements in place for gun ownership and gun use.

In the states they sell guns to Joe Public in supermarket chains. WALMART to be precise. The only reason I could not buy a 9mm Glock at Wal-Mart was coz I wasn't a U.S. citizen.

So yes.... there is little to zero realistic gun control Murica. And the country is awash with firearms and crazy bastirts.
Very easy way to begin to control it is to have gun control like U.K. and Europe.
Put things in the way to control access.
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